Did God rape and impregnate a married woman?

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19 Feb 2018, 3:35 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Yes, I'll admit it: I'm not well-versed in the Bible.

Cool bananas; now I shall take back that you are a 'know it all.'
Thank you for your honesty.

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20 Feb 2018, 12:48 pm

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Considering this event is known as the immaculate conception and the woman was described as a virgin mother, obviously no sexual intercourse of any form took place. Furthermore it took place with the woman's foreknowledge and concent. So the concept of rape being involved is inapplicable.

A little nit pick here.

That actually is not what the phrase "Immaculate Conception" means.

Yes, she was a virgin. Yes the conception was miraculous. And you're not alone in the confusion. A billion other folks also wrongly think the term 'immaculate conception" refers to Christ being conceived miraculously to a virgin. But NO. That is not what the phrase refers to. It refers to the earlier moment when the Virgin Mary herself was conceived. Its a mind warp for me too to keep that distinction in mind, but that's what it is.

"The immaculate conception" is the Catholic doctrine that when the Virgin Mary was herself conceived (the normal way humans and mammals are all conceived) that she was conceived free of Original Sin.

Adam and Eve got us all screwed when they ate the apple and got us all shaded by that "Original Sin". But the Virgin Mary was an exception, and got a free pass from original sin when she was born/concieved. Thus her conception was "immaculate": (ie clean of the stain of Adam and Eve's Original sin).

Ah I should have known. I knew it was a catholic term, rather than it being in the book.

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20 Feb 2018, 5:57 pm

Was the immaculate conception mentioned in the Bible?

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20 Feb 2018, 8:23 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

God did nothing of the kind.

There’s nothing in Christian theology which indicates that God had intercourse with Mary.

At the most, he “created” a pregnancy in Mary, just like he “created” everything else,

That is a nice story, but every rational person would understand that spermatozoa are required for the fertilization of the ovum...

My best guess is that Virgin Mary was simply a means to a political end...
Presumably, she was indeed fertilized via artificial insemination, possibly Joseph's sperm, and why wouldn't it be his?
Presumably, the hymen was left intact to "prove" she was a virgin...<shrug>

Simples... :mrgreen:

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20 Feb 2018, 8:25 pm

Just so you know: I'm a confirmed atheist.

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20 Feb 2018, 8:37 pm

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Yep. Joseph was "reassured" as to the "source" of the pregnancy.

At least, he wanted to spare Mary from being ostracized before he knew the "source." Perhaps he was "sending her away" to some of his family?

Errm...
I think you are taking things too literally...
What he said, she said...
I mean, what god said, she said, Joseph said happened over 2,000 years ago...
Unless you were there, I would take what is said in the bible with a grain of salt...
Ask a magistrate/lawyer/solicitor/judge what they would say about it if it were presented in a court of law... :mrgreen:

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20 Feb 2018, 8:40 pm

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Just so you know: I'm a confirmed atheist.

I know...
You mentioned some time ago you were an "agnostic Athiest" I believe?
I was just pointing out you seemed to be losing yourself in the mythology...
No offense intended, m8... :wink:

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20 Feb 2018, 8:45 pm

I am an Agnostic Atheist. I think we debated the utility of that "title" once.

I believe in it---because I'm an atheist who is open to receiving a message from some God or god. I doubt that this will happen, though.

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20 Feb 2018, 8:52 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Understood...
I, on the other hand, am a hardcore atheist and I am convinced that will never change...
If that god guy came around dragging his feet and looking apologetic, I would say: "Too little...too late...bugger orf"... :mrgreen:

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20 Feb 2018, 9:12 pm

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There’s nothing in Christian theology which indicates that God had intercourse with Mary.

Correct. It's Mormon theology that says God physically had sex with Mary.

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20 Feb 2018, 9:18 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

There’s nothing in Christian theology which indicates that God had intercourse with Mary.

Correct. It's Mormon theology that says God physically had sex with Mary.

Really?

What form did God (or the Holy Ghost) take in order to boff her (according to the Mormons)?

Was it concensual (according to the Mormons)?

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20 Feb 2018, 9:27 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:

Was the immaculate conception mentioned in the Bible?

From what I gather even "original sin" as such is not spelled out in the Bible. So any exemption from it for anyone is also not spelled out. Though as far back as the Second Century theologians kinda pieced the concept of Original Sin together from the teaching of Paul in the Bible, and other New Testament stuff.

Though the idea of the Immaculate Conception had been debated since late antiquity, it was not codified until a Papal Bull of 1856 by the then Pope. Look it all up in Wiki.

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20 Feb 2018, 10:11 pm

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RetroGamer87 wrote:

Was the immaculate conception mentioned in the Bible?

Wow, they sure love adding stuff to the perfect word of God.

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21 Feb 2018, 3:38 am

naturalplastic wrote:

RetroGamer87 wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

There’s nothing in Christian theology which indicates that God had intercourse with Mary.

Correct. It's Mormon theology that says God physically had sex with Mary.

Really?

What form did God (or the Holy Ghost) take in order to boff her (according to the Mormons)?

Was it concensual (according to the Mormons)?

According to South Park Mormons believe God is a physical man and when you die you become a God in your own universe.

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21 Feb 2018, 6:03 am

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naturalplastic wrote:

RetroGamer87 wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

There’s nothing in Christian theology which indicates that God had intercourse with Mary.

Correct. It's Mormon theology that says God physically had sex with Mary.

Really?

What form did God (or the Holy Ghost) take in order to boff her (according to the Mormons)?

Was it concensual (according to the Mormons)?

According to South Park Mormons believe God is a physical man and when you die you become a God in your own universe.

South Park got it right. According to Mormons God came down to Earth in his true form, the form of a man. According to Mormons God is a man, just like us. Here's an animation of the event.

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21 Feb 2018, 6:28 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:

Daniel89 wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

RetroGamer87 wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

There’s nothing in Christian theology which indicates that God had intercourse with Mary.

Correct. It's Mormon theology that says God physically had sex with Mary.

Really?

What form did God (or the Holy Ghost) take in order to boff her (according to the Mormons)?

Was it concensual (according to the Mormons)?

According to South Park Mormons believe God is a physical man and when you die you become a God in your own universe.

South Park got it right. According to Mormons God came down to Earth in his true form, the form of a man. According to Mormons God is a man, just like us. Here's an animation of the event.

Makes as much sense as any other version. If god created man in his image, that pretty clearly states that god himself is a man. At least he looks just like one.

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