What if America tried Australia’s gun control?

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ASPartOfMe
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16 Feb 2018, 1:47 am

I know it most likely is unconstitutional and will never happen but hypothetically lets say the economy implodes the combination of the resistence, very progressive mellenials coming out to vote almost daily massacres involving guns get this to happen.

There would be a bunch of gun rights advocates as well as innocent civilians caught in the crossfile killed and injured. The question then is would the military enforce the order or break into factions meaning civil war? It would not be like 50 years ago killing inner city blacks they would be tasked with attacking similar people to them. I would think a vast majority would follow orders. If that is the case any seroius armed resistance would be over in two or three days. Then I think we would have occasional instances of weapons of mass destruction terrorism. It won’t be ISIS with thier low tech or Al Queda planning the attack from thousands miles away. It would be ex military or militia type people who know what target to hit and where to get materials to buy a chemical and biological weapons as well hacking the nations infastructure.


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16 Feb 2018, 4:56 am

This isn't my specialist topic, but I lean towards the side that says guns aren't the real problem. Just looking at my own country, when gun laws were so ridiculously liberal 100 years ago that it would make Americans blush, there was almost no gun crime at all. I believe you could dig up similar statistics for America. Mass shootings, that special subset of gun crime, almost always involve mind altering drugs, legal or illegal. Every time there is one (or a truck attack in Europe) you need only wait for one newspaper to discover (and pay almost no attention to) the criminal was on cannabis or anti-depressants or steroids etc. Usage of mind altering drugs certainly correlates with the increase in gun crimes better than the number of guns per capita, that would be the place to start I would think.


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16 Feb 2018, 6:57 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
I know it most likely is unconstitutional and will never happen but hypothetically lets say the economy implodes the combination of the resistence, very progressive mellenials coming out to vote almost daily massacres involving guns get this to happen.

There would be a bunch of gun rights advocates as well as innocent civilians caught in the crossfile killed and injured. The question then is would the military enforce the order or break into factions meaning civil war? It would not be like 50 years ago killing inner city blacks they would be tasked with attacking similar people to them. I would think a vast majority would follow orders. If that is the case any seroius armed resistance would be over in two or three days. Then I think we would have occasional instances of weapons of mass destruction terrorism. It won’t be ISIS with thier low tech or Al Queda planning the attack from thousands miles away. It would be ex military or militia type people who know what target to hit and where to get materials to buy a chemical and biological weapons as well hacking the nations infastructure.


Guns are still legal in Australia they just don’t have simi auto guns. The navy yard shooting was with a pump shotgun, the Texas tower shooting was with a bolt action rifle, the vt shooting was with pistols with 10 round mags.

It wouldn’t do anything we’d still have mass shootings, or mass bombings or more mass driving’s etc people are so disconnected today and dehumanize anyone but themselves. It’s apparently funny and a good time to watch a man drown to death or that you kill d your sister in a driving accident. All which need to be live streamed to Facebook heck people have live streamed themselves murdering others. A teen recently raped a girl as she was dying from overdose then threw her in his trash can and went to work where he bragged or and he used her phone to send pictures of it on snap chat or what not.
Still think it’s a gun issue? There’s tons of these cases. We as a society have gone to superficial too technology we’ve dehumanized each other so is it any wonder someone does a mass shooting when they don’t see others as humans that matter?

As for the rest most the military is pro gun and owns lots of guns in their civilian life so you’d have a tough time getting them to violate their oaths and then go attack their friends and family even so we have 3 million troops in all branches and 320 million people. You do tha math they can’t be everywhere. They could probably maybe lock down one majority city like dc maybe most the city would need to support them. Mean most major cities have more people then our military and how’d you get them around ?
No it’s impossible. It’d have to be done slowly while increasing military and some new government agency(think ss) numbers .

100 million or more people own guns if only a 1/3 of them fight back and organize that’s 30is million armed rebels again any day half our military maybe who followers orders to violat the constitution.



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18 Feb 2018, 9:29 pm

Gun licences aren't easy to get in Australia.

Australian style gun control would only work in a country that's not already flooded with guns. It also works better for island nations so you can't just drive across the border with a bootload of guns.

There will probably be several more mass shootings in America this year and several the next year and several the next year. Gun control can't stop them. Nothing at all can stop them. They will happen no matter what you do.


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03 Mar 2018, 9:06 am

The United States has a level of violence that does not exist in other countries. Americans will not tell you the reason why they need their guns but there is a reason.

Things like carjackings, home invasions, mass mob attacks and violent muggings are much more common in the U.S as they are in Australia, Canada and the U.K (but unfortunately that's becoming more common). They are carrying those guns because they are literally afraid for their lives.



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03 Mar 2018, 9:34 am

I don’t know anybody who carries a gun in the street.

America is the only a “war zone,” usually, in places where overt drug dealing happens.

Anybody who calls America a “war zone” has not been to most parts of America.

The image painted by the media is WRONG.

I’m not upset. Just telling what I experience.

I had a different image of the UK before I actually went there.



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03 Mar 2018, 2:35 pm

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The United States has a level of violence that does not exist in other countries. Americans will not tell you the reason why they need their guns but there is a reason.

Things like carjackings, home invasions, mass mob attacks and violent muggings are much more common in the U.S as they are in Australia, Canada and the U.K (but unfortunately that's becoming more common). They are carrying those guns because they are literally afraid for their lives.


“For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.”

Also home invasions rose in Australia after the ban. They have less gun deaths but deaths over all have stayed the same in Uk and Australia. They just swapped one kind of death for another, and increased violent crimes. USA is quit low in deaths and violent crimes in the world. Not even in the top 10. What difference is death by gun or death by stabbing? Is the person any less dead? Are their family thank god atleast he wasn’t shot to death. Personally I’d rather be shot once then stabbed 40times and left to slowly bleed out. Gun shots are more easily treated then multiple knife wounds.

This one guy waited outside a store and stabbed multiple people as they left. Guy in China killed lots. Then yiu had that guy who beheaded people in street in England.



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03 Mar 2018, 2:45 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don’t know anybody who carries a gun in the street.

America is the only a “war zone,” usually, in places where overt drug dealing happens.

Anybody who calls America a “war zone” has not been to most parts of America.

The image painted by the media is WRONG.

I’m not upset. Just telling what I experience.

I had a different image of the UK before I actually went there.


Cause they can’t in nyc.
Go outside nyc and you see lots of people carrying guns and that’s just the ones open carrying.

But no it’s not a war zone and counter to liberals concealed carry hasn’t made it one and there’s no blood running in the streets all over Amelia cause people carry a gun.



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03 Mar 2018, 3:15 pm

If fewer Americans were not such self-absorbed, narcissistic twats, obsessed with achieving status and fame by any means necessary, and who are living in a country where gun ownership is considered a "right," and healthcare is considered a "privilege," I figure we'd have less mass shootings.

Granted, I still don't think civilians need semi-automatic and automatic weapons, but taking some bleach to our culture would probably help more.


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03 Mar 2018, 3:26 pm

I'm a layman in this field of discussion, but: guns = death. Get rid of guns. Less death. (It works, or so I've been reliably informed.)



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03 Mar 2018, 5:24 pm

Don't forget: XFiles served in the military....

I do find it absurd that health care in the US is a "privilege."



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03 Mar 2018, 5:37 pm

Andrewdarr wrote:
I'm a layman in this field of discussion, but: guns = death. Get rid of guns. Less death. (It works, or so I've been reliably informed.)

Guns don’t equal death, and what you’ve been informed is less guns equal less gun deaths, not less deaths, similarly if we banned knifes less people,would die from knifes but it’s likely just as many would still die. People who kill will find a way, only by stopping them can you decrease deshts. Then there suicide, which is 2/3 of the gun deaths in USA. Japan has higher suicide and no guns. Can’t stop someone from killing thems lives by banning objects. There’s loads of ways to do it, but according to anti gun people it’s fine if people kill the self as long as not with a gun. That should tell you something about their real agenda. If they say non of their laws will stop mass shooting and won’t stop suicides why do they really want them?

Much like conservatives want to pass laws returning federal land to parks saying its for the people, but it’s really so it can be sold to price companies romdestory for profit, that’s their real agenda not to give the land back to the citizens.



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03 Mar 2018, 5:41 pm

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Don't forget: XFiles served in the military....

I do find it absurd that health care in the US is a "privilege."

Where’s the amendment in the bill of rights that says, thou has right to free healthcare. Was healthcare not an issue in 1776? But they didn’t make it a right. Neither was driving or transportation a right. Yiu didn’t get a free horse. Freedom of speech, right to bare arms, right to due process, right to not have your house searched , right to no self incrimination, those are rights. Anything not guaranteed under th bill of rights is a privilege.

Lots of anti gun people served in the military so what? Most are pro gun. Much of police think only they should have guns and thst they superior to us peasants most disagree. Cops are just civilians too, but they call us civilians like their above us. Th facts , laws, and logic on in our side. People pushing for this don’t even realize how guns work or thst a handgun is a simiauto gun, they like we need to ban simi auto guns that won’t proven yiu from owning a handgun for self defense, idiots, yes it will. Just like the plan to ban any simi auto gun holding 10 rounds or mor bans 90% of guns. Oh and I love the ones who say we aren’t after your guns while pushy for laws that would take our guns. They either 1. Lying or 2. Don’t understand anything about guns and are being mislead by media and the liars using their emotions against them. Same way we got the patriot act.
If you don’t even understand what a simi auto gun is yiu shouldn’t be pushing to ban it.
A 22lr rifle kids shoot is a asault weapon under the proposed bills, so is thst 9mm handgun the single mom uses to protect her kids.

Look at this assault weapon
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Look at this kid shooting a weapon of warImage

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FYI all the above are the same gun.



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03 Mar 2018, 5:43 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
If fewer Americans were not such self-absorbed, narcissistic twats, obsessed with achieving status and fame by any means necessary, and who are living in a country where gun ownership is considered a "right," and healthcare is considered a "privilege," I figure we'd have less mass shootings.

Granted, I still don't think civilians need semi-automatic and automatic weapons, but taking some bleach to our culture would probably help more.


So you don’t think people should have handguns? So basically yiu don’t feel people have the right to self defense. Thankfully the Supreme Court and the constitution disagree.



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03 Mar 2018, 6:00 pm

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Here’s another evil assault weapon
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It’s not black so not evil Right? Cause black means evil right?(just Incase, it’s the same gun as above) antis say non black guns or guns with wood stocks are ok.
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Look at the evil
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Omg she must be assaulting people. Oh no she’s just taking part in a sport
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This one is a neo societ :o must be evil(its s Cold War edition celebrating the fall of the ussr and Czech freedom, only 2,00 made)(I own one)
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03 Mar 2018, 6:04 pm

I feel healthcare for all is a "moral' right. Because it shouldn't be expensive---and it's usually good and efficacious for many. Most countries in the world---whether conservative, liberal, or otherwise, believe in the right to universal health care. We are the "outlier" in this case.

You have to consider the context of the times. Healthcare wasn't good, and it wasn't expensive, in the 18th century. It would have been absurd to put the "right" of health care into the Bill of Rights.

Remember: the Constitution wasn't actually ratified until 1789. Before then, we had something called "The Articles of Confederation," which would have delighted the States Rights people.