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25 Feb 2018, 4:47 pm

If it was any other country, the athletes would have just been banned not the state.


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25 Feb 2018, 4:51 pm

How do you explain all the Russian officials etc connected to anything to do with this being murdered if they didn't have knowledge of actual interference?

https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/24/europe/d ... index.html


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26 Feb 2018, 5:43 pm

What has that got to do with "Trump colluding with Russia"?


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26 Feb 2018, 11:36 pm

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goldfish21 wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
We can argue to will are blue in the face about this but the fact remains that there is zero evidence of "collusion". People can make their own theories up about what is going on but this has been dragging on and it has been an embarrassment. The Dems have thrown everything into this fake story along with their parrot media so there is no going back now. It really could come back to haunt them.


I didn't realize you were on Mueller's investigation team.

Just from the headlines there's far too much going on for there to be absolutely nothing.. I mean, come on, a server in Trump tower communicating with a Russian bank? Hmmm.. that doesn't sound like they were up to anything illegal at all. :lol:


Hahahaha.... "The headlines". They are never wrong. It is "weapons of mass destruction" all over again. Jesus, how dare someone have commutation with a Russian bank!! ! The horror!

Remember that time Putin went against Trump's wishes, humiliated him and made a speech in Congress and got 55 standing ovations? Oh wait....

Those who today are on the side of Trump, are the same who accused of anti-patriotism those opposing the Irak war.


The main guy in the Republican party against Trump is McCain, the biggest war monger of the lot.

Bigger than Trump? Quite unlikely getting how much Trump is big of a war monger.

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We can argue to will are blue in the face about this but the fact remains that there is zero evidence of "collusion". People can make their own theories up about what is going on but this has been dragging on and it has been an embarrassment. The Dems have thrown everything into this fake story along with their parrot media so there is no going back now. It really could come back to haunt them.

If media are the parrots of Democrats, then why do they sometimes publish stories critical of them? Seem like conservatives and conspiracy theorists like to take from the so called "liberal media" the stories that they like and to shoot "liberal biased media" when they publish stories they don't like.


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27 Feb 2018, 3:02 am

Tollorin wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Tollorin wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
We can argue to will are blue in the face about this but the fact remains that there is zero evidence of "collusion". People can make their own theories up about what is going on but this has been dragging on and it has been an embarrassment. The Dems have thrown everything into this fake story along with their parrot media so there is no going back now. It really could come back to haunt them.


I didn't realize you were on Mueller's investigation team.

Just from the headlines there's far too much going on for there to be absolutely nothing.. I mean, come on, a server in Trump tower communicating with a Russian bank? Hmmm.. that doesn't sound like they were up to anything illegal at all. :lol:


Hahahaha.... "The headlines". They are never wrong. It is "weapons of mass destruction" all over again. Jesus, how dare someone have commutation with a Russian bank!! ! The horror!

Remember that time Putin went against Trump's wishes, humiliated him and made a speech in Congress and got 55 standing ovations? Oh wait....

Those who today are on the side of Trump, are the same who accused of anti-patriotism those opposing the Irak war.


The main guy in the Republican party against Trump is McCain, the biggest war monger of the lot.

Bigger than Trump? Quite unlikely getting how much Trump is big of a war monger.

JohnPowell wrote:
We can argue to will are blue in the face about this but the fact remains that there is zero evidence of "collusion". People can make their own theories up about what is going on but this has been dragging on and it has been an embarrassment. The Dems have thrown everything into this fake story along with their parrot media so there is no going back now. It really could come back to haunt them.

If media are the parrots of Democrats, then why do they sometimes publish stories critical of them? Seem like conservatives and conspiracy theorists like to take from the so called "liberal media" the stories that they like and to shoot "liberal biased media" when they publish stories they don't like.


In what war has trump been a warmonger?

It's what they publish most of the time that counts. There's no theory, conspiracy or otherwise, regarding what's right there to see on a daily basis. The closest thing to a conspiracy theory is that they once in a while post something critical to fool you into thinking that means they're balanced. But that's not really a far fetched notion.



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27 Feb 2018, 12:28 pm

Trump blows a lot of hot air and has launched bombs to get the necons of his back. When Trump bombed Syria that was one time McCain really cooed for him. Trump was a million times more anti-war compared to Hillary.

The media was utterly silent for 8 years about Obama's policies, just full of praise for him, apart from FOX of course. During the election campaign around 95% of their coverage was negative stuff about Trump, while they sung for Hillary.


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27 Feb 2018, 12:42 pm

IF this really is a DNC Deep State operation thingy, I kind of hope they don't just lock him up tbh. It'd be far more satisfying to see them drag this out a while and see his family empire's businesses be bankrupted/dissolved/seized as proceeds of crime etc and then lock him up. :)


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27 Feb 2018, 12:52 pm

At least you're honest and don't pretend this is all about democracy etc.


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27 Feb 2018, 12:53 pm

Trouble is, Trump has his own powerful connections.


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27 Feb 2018, 12:59 pm

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At least you're honest and don't pretend this is all about democracy etc.


USA hasn't been a democracy for decades, sooo of course this isn't about democracy. It's about opposing a despicable vile human being who somehow slimed his way into the oval office.


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27 Feb 2018, 1:01 pm

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Trouble is, Trump has his own powerful connections.


Being that many of those connections are of the illegal kind, it could in the end be used against him.


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27 Feb 2018, 1:16 pm

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Trouble is, Trump has his own powerful connections.


Being that many of those connections are of the illegal kind, it could in the end be used against him.


One can only hope! :D


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27 Feb 2018, 2:50 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
At least you're honest and don't pretend this is all about democracy etc.


USA hasn't been a democracy for decades, sooo of course this isn't about democracy. It's about opposing a despicable vile human being who somehow slimed his way into the oval office.


He got voted in because the opposition was worse. You job is to do anything you can to make sure the Democrats put up a decent candidate and then people can try to vote them in, in 2-3 years time.


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27 Feb 2018, 2:53 pm

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Trouble is, Trump has his own powerful connections.


Being that many of those connections are of the illegal kind, it could in the end be used against him.


They can't get him on corruption because that would bring down your whole political system. The investigation was meant to be about "collusion with Russia" not 'let's try anything to remove him'.


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27 Feb 2018, 3:25 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Trump blows a lot of hot air and has launched bombs to get the necons of his back. When Trump bombed Syria that was one time McCain really cooed for him. Trump was a million times more anti-war compared to Hillary.

The media was utterly silent for 8 years about Obama's policies, just full of praise for him, apart from FOX of course. During the election campaign around 95% of their coverage was negative stuff about Trump, while they sung for Hillary.

The why were they reporting on Hillary scandals, like that email account? Propagandists don't do that.

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In what war has trump been a warmonger?

It's what they publish most of the time that counts. There's no theory, conspiracy or otherwise, regarding what's right there to see on a daily basis. The closest thing to a conspiracy theory is that they once in a while post something critical to fool you into thinking that means they're balanced. But that's not really a far fetched notion.


Why do you think it's not a far fetched notion? You think that a president, that is a ancient of the KGB, using disinformation to "protect" his country from what those he consider being enemies, far fetched; yet you consider that all mainstream media, of more or less genuine democracy obsessed with speech rights, are the parrots of a political party, not far fetched?

On Trump being a warmonger:

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-is-ordering-airstrikes-at-5-times-the-pace-obama-did-2017-4?op=1

http://www.newsweek.com/us-iran-prepare-potential-war-trump-threatens-future-nuclear-deal-684806


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27 Feb 2018, 3:37 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
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Trouble is, Trump has his own powerful connections.


Being that many of those connections are of the illegal kind, it could in the end be used against him.


They can't get him on corruption because that would bring down your whole political system. The investigation was meant to be about "collusion with Russia" not 'let's try anything to remove him'.


Mueller will follow the case where ever it goes, and will let the chips fall as they may.


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