24 Feb 2018, 4:17 am
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24 Feb 2018, 4:32 am
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
USA only technically made slavery illegal many years ago.. they still pay ultra low wages to "illegals," overseas textile & manufacturing workers, as well as domestic prison labour. Illegals are part of the American culture of taking advantage of the disadvantaged in order to optimize profits & maintain "social order," in terms of hierarchy. True story.
So you're shifting the goalpost from tax revenue, to profit from illegal sweatshop labor. And you don't think that's a problem the US has and it's something you're fighting to maintain?
goldfish21 wrote:
It's not my job to figure out the details. I'm merely pointing out that if they really wanted to solve their none existent border security problems then they would. Hell, they'd do something about the demand for illegal labour, and the demand for drugs.
Right, why bother to figure out the feasibility of a plan you came up with.
goldfish21 wrote:
The wall won't keep narcotics out. You can't be serious. The wall is easily defeated by a ladder or a tunnel. Planes, boats, submarines, drones etc etc are all used to transport drugs. The black market drug trade is the third largest industry in world trade after energy & food. There's no stopping it.. especially in the USA where the demand side is so high with so many drug consumers of all social classes.
You're the one who wrote that the wall might cause a severe drug shortage.
You really think with all the resources available to the USA that they wouldn't have already solved their "problem" with cheap illegal labour if they wanted to? It hasn't been solved because too many people make too much money from it so it's not really a problem they want to solve. Whether tax revenues or profits for American businessmen, the success of the USA has always relied on cheap labour.
There's no need to crunch numbers for a very simple concept. They're already paying to train soldiers. Relocate the training facility so it serves a dual purpose and extracts further value out of their training vs. pay twice as many federal employees to accomplish the same task of creating a trained soldier & securing the border. Have you never expressed an idea without writing a 100 page report on the logistics of it? Jesus.
I never said anything about a border well causing a severe drug shortage. I said secure borders might do that.
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24 Feb 2018, 4:41 am
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24 Feb 2018, 5:02 am
EzraS wrote:
Let's get to the bottom line; why are you so opposed to immigrants getting green cards?
When have I ever said anything of the sort?
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goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Let's get to the bottom line; why are you so opposed to immigrants getting green cards?
When have I ever said anything of the sort?
Simply getting a green card is what immigration control boils down to.
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24 Feb 2018, 6:10 am
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Let's get to the bottom line; why are you so opposed to immigrants getting green cards?
When have I ever said anything of the sort?
Simply getting a green card is what immigration control boils down to.
..except your government doesn't make that process so freely & easily available to match the demand for foreign workers.. so people continue to come over the border to work illegally.
If they wanted to issue green cards to all of those people they could. When a government, especially the USA, wants to do something they'll do it with the efficiency that the Nazis used IBM computers to catalogue Jews. Seriously. If they truly wanted all of this to be an on the books recorded official paper trail green card thing they'd just fk'n get 'er done.
But like I've pointed out.. there's far too much money for far too many people in keeping things the way they are, so they just carry on doing as they've always done so all the same people keep winning.
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24 Feb 2018, 7:07 am
EzraS wrote:
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..except your government doesn't make that process so freely & easily available to match the demand for foreign workers.. so people continue to come over the border to work illegally.
So we should make use of them as slave type laborers and or sweatshop workers.
goldfish21 wrote:
If they wanted to issue green cards to all of those people they could. When a government, especially the USA, wants to do something they'll do it with the efficiency that the Nazis used IBM computers to catalogue Jews. Seriously. If they truly wanted all of this to be an on the books recorded official paper trail green card thing they'd just fk'n get 'er done.
How do they issue green cards to people who are sneaking in illegally?
goldfish21 wrote:
But like I've pointed out.. there's far too much money for far too many people in keeping things the way they are, so they just carry on doing as they've always done so all the same people keep winning.
So why the protest over the current president making that more difficult?
You already do use them as slave type workers/sweatshop workers.
If the green card program was pumping out green cards to match demand then people would just opt to get one and work legally. Further, if American employers were penalized for hiring illegal workers then they would screen their workers better and ensure they had green cards.
The protest people are making is because Trump isn't doing it for jobs or economic reasons. He's doing it because he's racist. It's why he calls them thieves and rapists and murderers etc. If it was about jobs and the economy he'd have left the issue alone and just let everyone make their money.
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