The rush to blame autism after tragedies at schools
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19 Feb 2018, 6:54 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Bullying was rampant when I was in school,I wasn't diagnosed then but was obviously "different" which attracted bullies.The teachers did nothing,absolutely nothing and reporting the bullies only made it worse.There were two girls that took turns punching me in the arm,I told the teacher and she just told them to stop,yeah,they didn't,they just hit harder.Kids stole my art,broke some of it,marked on the back of my new coat and more..
With social media and all the mean comments on it,kids can't even escape when they get home.
The only school I ever attended that was bully free and didn't tolerate it was a small private Seventh Day Adventist school.Have there been any shootings at the smaller private schools? It was a safe place for me and truly the only school I enjoyed attending.The price was reasonable,but many cant afford to send their kids to private school.
The only school I attended where kids shared their lunch with me instead of stealing mine.
With social media and all the mean comments on it,kids can't even escape when they get home.
The only school I ever attended that was bully free and didn't tolerate it was a small private Seventh Day Adventist school.Have there been any shootings at the smaller private schools? It was a safe place for me and truly the only school I enjoyed attending.The price was reasonable,but many cant afford to send their kids to private school.
The only school I attended where kids shared their lunch with me instead of stealing mine.
I went through very much the same kind of crap, particularly in junior high (that's what we used to call middle school, for younger WP members). To my delight, I've found my daughter, who is also on the spectrum, has not had to face such bullying in school.
I do not know how it worked for girls but for boys, bullying was considered boys being boys and a normal part of growing up. If you did not or could not fight back you were weak, a "queer".
Hollywood_Guy wrote:
do you think it's possible that all the mass scapegoating over violence with ASD and other disabilities and individuals are only feeding more of this sort of violence, mainly in schools?
I think the current wave is due in large part to the copycat syndrome. A lot of them have idolized past mass shooters. Most infamous is Adam Lanza who compiled a spreadsheet of every school shooting going back to the 1800's.
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19 Feb 2018, 11:05 pm
This man was adopted.
Had s**t time in school and expelled.
Mental health issues.
Not a whole lot of positive things going on in his life.
Dad dies.
Mom dies.
Probably figured his life is trashed, and why not take down a few mofos that made your life a living hell?
Now I'll get noticed. Now I'll get mentioned in social media. If I can't be famous, I'll be infamous. People will never forget who I am.
Honestly, he's no different from a suicide bomber. Your beef is with the universe, and if you're going to die, take some other people with you.
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20 Feb 2018, 1:05 am
Ummm sorry this narrative doesn't always play out the way we would like
An Aspie boy in my daughter's highschool has just been suspended for verbally and physically attacking girls in his grade year. The problem...the boy's victims are the only three girls on the spectrum in the grade year. Yesterday I found out one of them (unfortunately) was my daughter who was (luckily) only verbally attacked. The other two Aspie girls were physically attacked and one of the girls needed first aid after being punched violently.
I confronted her teacher and deputy principal and they have already put steps in to isolate/separate the boy from our kids when he comes back from suspension (they are diverting an aide to watch him)
This particular boy was frustrated about moving from another school and not fitting in. He was (according to the deputy principal) jealous of the aspie girls (for reasons only known to him) and lashed out violently targeting female Aspies.
Why did he target his own kind? according to the deputy principal - boys on the spectrum (her words) are prone to violently lashing out when they feel frustrated about changes in their lives they can't control. She's witnessed this in a number of boys.
I don't really know if I believe her (I know a couple of Aspie boys who play with my daughter who are passive although they get occasionally aggressive toward their parents but not other people) but now I have to live in uncertainty when this little terror returns and escapes the notice of his minders, gets angry again and puts my child at risk.
Sorry - but this experience has certainly changed my view of how autism manifests in (some) boys and how they externalize anxiety through aggression. It's quite plausible now how they could (if not checked) become serial killers
Again I question the narrative of the harmless Aspie boy
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20 Feb 2018, 1:55 am
cyberdad wrote:
Ummm sorry this narrative doesn't always play out the way we would like
An Aspie boy in my daughter's highschool has just been suspended for verbally and physically attacking girls in his grade year. The problem...the boy's victims are the only three girls on the spectrum in the grade year. Yesterday I found out one of them (unfortunately) was my daughter who was (luckily) only verbally attacked. The other two Aspie girls were physically attacked and one of the girls needed first aid after being punched violently.
I confronted her teacher and deputy principal and they have already put steps in to isolate/separate the boy from our kids when he comes back from suspension (they are diverting an aide to watch him)
This particular boy was frustrated about moving from another school and not fitting in. He was (according to the deputy principal) jealous of the aspie girls (for reasons only known to him) and lashed out violently targeting female Aspies.
Why did he target his own kind? according to the deputy principal - boys on the spectrum (her words) are prone to violently lashing out when they feel frustrated about changes in their lives they can't control. She's witnessed this in a number of boys.
I don't really know if I believe her (I know a couple of Aspie boys who play with my daughter who are passive although they get occasionally aggressive toward their parents but not other people) but now I have to live in uncertainty when this little terror returns and escapes the notice of his minders, gets angry again and puts my child at risk.
Sorry - but this experience has certainly changed my view of how autism manifests in (some) boys and how they externalize anxiety through aggression. It's quite plausible now how they could (if not checked) become serial killers
Again I question the narrative of the harmless Aspie boy
An Aspie boy in my daughter's highschool has just been suspended for verbally and physically attacking girls in his grade year. The problem...the boy's victims are the only three girls on the spectrum in the grade year. Yesterday I found out one of them (unfortunately) was my daughter who was (luckily) only verbally attacked. The other two Aspie girls were physically attacked and one of the girls needed first aid after being punched violently.
I confronted her teacher and deputy principal and they have already put steps in to isolate/separate the boy from our kids when he comes back from suspension (they are diverting an aide to watch him)
This particular boy was frustrated about moving from another school and not fitting in. He was (according to the deputy principal) jealous of the aspie girls (for reasons only known to him) and lashed out violently targeting female Aspies.
Why did he target his own kind? according to the deputy principal - boys on the spectrum (her words) are prone to violently lashing out when they feel frustrated about changes in their lives they can't control. She's witnessed this in a number of boys.
I don't really know if I believe her (I know a couple of Aspie boys who play with my daughter who are passive although they get occasionally aggressive toward their parents but not other people) but now I have to live in uncertainty when this little terror returns and escapes the notice of his minders, gets angry again and puts my child at risk.
Sorry - but this experience has certainly changed my view of how autism manifests in (some) boys and how they externalize anxiety through aggression. It's quite plausible now how they could (if not checked) become serial killers
Again I question the narrative of the harmless Aspie boy
Boys in general are more aggressive because of testosterone levels.
I was actually pretty passive as a little boy.
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20 Feb 2018, 2:13 am
Tawaki wrote:
This man was adopted.
Had s**t time in school and expelled.
Mental health issues.
Not a whole lot of positive things going on in his life.
Dad dies.
Mom dies.
Probably figured his life is trashed, and why not take down a few mofos that made your life a living hell?
Now I'll get noticed. Now I'll get mentioned in social media. If I can't be famous, I'll be infamous. People will never forget who I am.
Honestly, he's no different from a suicide bomber. Your beef is with the universe, and if you're going to die, take some other people with you.
Had s**t time in school and expelled.
Mental health issues.
Not a whole lot of positive things going on in his life.
Dad dies.
Mom dies.
Probably figured his life is trashed, and why not take down a few mofos that made your life a living hell?
Now I'll get noticed. Now I'll get mentioned in social media. If I can't be famous, I'll be infamous. People will never forget who I am.
Honestly, he's no different from a suicide bomber. Your beef is with the universe, and if you're going to die, take some other people with you.
i appreciate the perspective.
yeah, i think the exposure and infamy is what drives a lot of people to commit violence, and why i'd like to see a change in the way we report similar tragedies from here on out. focus more on the victims. otherwise you get people like my own sister, who already have mental issues and idolize shooters and serial killers putting the rest of us on high alert, thinking..."just what does she plan to do?"
kid had a rough life to be sure, but the way i see it once you kill someone because of it, all sympathy vanishes.
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20 Feb 2018, 5:39 am
B19 wrote:
Please be willing to learn, not scapegoat.
It is quite ironic that most aspie people themselves are unwilling to learn and only want to scapegoat. They themselves consider autism as a disorder. They attribute all their problems to autism. The moment they do that, they are already scapegoating.
Autism is not a disorder. Autism is just how your brain is wired.
Sea turtles are fully independent from the day they break out of their egg shells. But we can't raise human babies the way we raise sea turtles.
Similarly, autistic children belong to a different (sub)species of humans. You can't raise autistic children the way you raise neurotypical children.
That's all. But it will take people another 40 years to learn the truth, in my estimate. Ha ha. People are just very slow at learning. See, it took the Church 350 years to finally apologize to Galileo. That's how slow it can be.
I think it is highly hypocritical to ask neurotypical people to learn and not to scapegoat, when aspies themselves don't even practice what they preach.
Sea turtles would not know how to raise human babies. Heck, even most aspie parents have no clue how to raise aspie babies, because they have NEVER seen an aspie baby raised correctly. Our society is infested with neurotypical-only approaches.
Perfectly fine babies are hence driven into insane adults by our mentally ill society. And the culprits never take responsibility and never need to go to jail.
20 Feb 2018, 12:33 pm
eikonabridge wrote:
Autism is not a disorder. Autism is just how your brain is wired.
I struggled with finding an analogy for people to understand this point better. I think I have found one.
Autism and neurotypicality are like two different operating systems. You may excel at writing Windows application programs, but your programming skills may not carry over to a different operating system, like Linux. Your programs in Linux might be defective simply because you are not familiar with the Linux environment: you don't know the right tools, you don't know the right libraries, packages and routines.
You can't blame Linux system for being a defective operating system. The defect is in the application programmer, not in the operating system.
I surely know autistic adults with sensory/rigidity issues, intellectual disability, anxiety problems, irritability, ADHD, verbal and social shortcomings, etc. Some wear diapers. These people themselves, or their parents and teachers, would blame it all on autism. This is like blaming the operating system for the failures of the application programmers.
20 Feb 2018, 1:36 pm
B19 wrote:
There is one glaring and disturbing fact that gets lost in the rush to blame autism: all the school shootings in the USA have been perpetrated by males.
Perhaps the observation that "men are motivated by status" is relevant.
A young, have-nothing male can get status with a school shooting.
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20 Feb 2018, 2:00 pm
LoveNotHate wrote:
B19 wrote:
There is one glaring and disturbing fact that gets lost in the rush to blame autism: all the school shootings in the USA have been perpetrated by males.
Perhaps the observation that "men are motivated by status" is relevant.
A young, have-nothing male can get status with a school shooting.
This makes so little sense to me, because right now the world is solidly focused on what a little scumbag the shooter is. How does that translate to status in his mind, to motivate him to do it in the first place? Did he not understand beforehand that people would respond to his actions with repudiation and revulsion? I find that hard to believe, unless he is maybe severely cognitively challenged to the extent that he has no idea at 19 years old that violent actions and murder bring condemnation from the public and do not confer social status.
20 Feb 2018, 2:07 pm
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
B19 wrote:
There is one glaring and disturbing fact that gets lost in the rush to blame autism: all the school shootings in the USA have been perpetrated by males.
Perhaps the observation that "men are motivated by status" is relevant.
A young, have-nothing male can get status with a school shooting.
This makes so little sense to me, because right now the world is solidly focused on what a little scumbag the shooter is. How does that translate to status in his mind, to motivate him to do it in the first place? Did he not understand beforehand that people would respond to his actions with repudiation and revulsion? I find that hard to believe, unless he is maybe severely cognitively challenged to the extent that he has no idea at 19 years old that violent actions and murder bring condemnation from the public and do not confer social status.
He bragged on youtube that he would become a "professional school shooter".
He wasn't going to be nobody anymore.
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20 Feb 2018, 2:37 pm
LoveNotHate wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
B19 wrote:
There is one glaring and disturbing fact that gets lost in the rush to blame autism: all the school shootings in the USA have been perpetrated by males.
Perhaps the observation that "men are motivated by status" is relevant.
A young, have-nothing male can get status with a school shooting.
This makes so little sense to me, because right now the world is solidly focused on what a little scumbag the shooter is. How does that translate to status in his mind, to motivate him to do it in the first place? Did he not understand beforehand that people would respond to his actions with repudiation and revulsion? I find that hard to believe, unless he is maybe severely cognitively challenged to the extent that he has no idea at 19 years old that violent actions and murder bring condemnation from the public and do not confer social status.
He bragged on youtube that he would become a "professional school shooter".
He wasn't going to be nobody anymore.
Psychopaths live for the moment, and have no sense of the consequences of their actions. I don't see a non-psychopathic young male - autistic or not - having that mindset.
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20 Feb 2018, 2:46 pm
LoveNotHate wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
B19 wrote:
There is one glaring and disturbing fact that gets lost in the rush to blame autism: all the school shootings in the USA have been perpetrated by males.
Perhaps the observation that "men are motivated by status" is relevant.
A young, have-nothing male can get status with a school shooting.
This makes so little sense to me, because right now the world is solidly focused on what a little scumbag the shooter is. How does that translate to status in his mind, to motivate him to do it in the first place? Did he not understand beforehand that people would respond to his actions with repudiation and revulsion? I find that hard to believe, unless he is maybe severely cognitively challenged to the extent that he has no idea at 19 years old that violent actions and murder bring condemnation from the public and do not confer social status.
He bragged on youtube that he would become a "professional school shooter".
He wasn't going to be nobody anymore.
He must severely stupid then, because that's about the dumbest and most short-sited BS I've ever heard. Being infamous does not convey social status--status comes from being known and liked/respected, infamy comes from being known and despised.
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