Should we worry about racism towards white people?
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23 Feb 2018, 2:44 am
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I've noticed that science is barely being mentioned in this thread.
We all need to remember that the concept of racial equality is largely a product of scientific research. The modern "social justice movement" is unpopular because they never say why racism is wrong.
"But the most weighty of all the arguments against treating the races of man as distinct species, is that they graduate into each other, independently in many cases, as far as we can judge, of their having intercrossed. Man has been studied more carefully than any other animal, and yet there is the greatest possible diversity amongst capable judges whether he should be classed as a single species or race, or as two (Virey), as three (Jacquinot), as four (Kant), five (Blumenbach), six (Buffon), seven (Hunter), eight (Agassiz), eleven (Pickering), fifteen (Bory de St-Vincent), sixteen (Desmoulins), twenty-two (Morton), sixty (Crawfurd), or as sixty-three, according to Burke."
- Charles Darwin
We already have science on our side. Why not use it?
We all need to remember that the concept of racial equality is largely a product of scientific research. The modern "social justice movement" is unpopular because they never say why racism is wrong.
"But the most weighty of all the arguments against treating the races of man as distinct species, is that they graduate into each other, independently in many cases, as far as we can judge, of their having intercrossed. Man has been studied more carefully than any other animal, and yet there is the greatest possible diversity amongst capable judges whether he should be classed as a single species or race, or as two (Virey), as three (Jacquinot), as four (Kant), five (Blumenbach), six (Buffon), seven (Hunter), eight (Agassiz), eleven (Pickering), fifteen (Bory de St-Vincent), sixteen (Desmoulins), twenty-two (Morton), sixty (Crawfurd), or as sixty-three, according to Burke."
- Charles Darwin
We already have science on our side. Why not use it?
Well, on the other hand, science also shows that Europeans, East Asians and probably even Caucasian Middle-Easterns have few neanderthal genes, so they are Homo Sapiens but slightly hybrid, while most black Africans are more pure Homo Sapiens. Of course that doesn't justify racism, but some may use this to justify it.
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23 Feb 2018, 2:50 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
I didn't say racism didn't exist before black lives matter.
I am saying, that the reason white supremacy groups are having an renaissance at the moment, is because of the rise of social justice.
I am saying, that the reason white supremacy groups are having an renaissance at the moment, is because of the rise of social justice.
These people have existed since someone decided they had a right to oppress someone else. They have just come out of their holes because they feel their status is being threatened.
Maybe, but if you look at Europe now, the reason why Christian Right wing is on the rise, and winning positions in politics, is undoubtedly a reaction against the muslim immigration, Islamism, Islamic terrorism, and the many incidents perpetrated by some Muslims or Islamist groups. You can't deny the cause and effect here.
... and then there's the fact that most people don't know much about the true nature of Islamic terrorism ... because the elites don't want you to understand.
The US government has a long and ugly history of siding with Islamic dictators such as Suharto and King Salman. Additionally, Osama Bin Laden was trained by the CIA.
You can't adequately solve a problem if you don't even know where it began.
It certainly didn't begin with a religion which holds Jesus in high regard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam
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23 Feb 2018, 2:55 am
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
I didn't say racism didn't exist before black lives matter.
I am saying, that the reason white supremacy groups are having an renaissance at the moment, is because of the rise of social justice.
I am saying, that the reason white supremacy groups are having an renaissance at the moment, is because of the rise of social justice.
These people have existed since someone decided they had a right to oppress someone else. They have just come out of their holes because they feel their status is being threatened.
Maybe, but if you look at Europe now, the reason why Christian Right wing is on the rise, and winning positions in politics, is undoubtedly a reaction against the muslim immigration, Islamism, Islamic terrorism, and the many incidents perpetrated by some Muslims or Islamist groups. You can't deny the cause and effect here.
... and then there's the fact that most people don't know much about the true nature of Islamic terrorism ... because the elites don't want you to understand.
The US government has a long and ugly history of siding with Islamic dictators such as Suharto and King Salman. Additionally, Osama Bin Laden was trained by the CIA.
You can't adequately solve a problem if you don't even know where it began.
It certainly didn't begin with a religion which holds Jesus in high regard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam
Um...well, look it is a bit more complicated than that.
While some of those conspiracies are true (Like the Ossama-CIA relationship, and UK's support for Muslim Brotherhood), these are just modern politics exploiting something more ancient. The hostility between Muslim civilizations and Christian civilizations is even more ancient than that, it even goes to...before Islam itself!
Ironically, it's the difference on the view of Jesus is the root of this hostility. Islam is the spiritual successor of a much more ancient religion called Ebionism, an anti-trinity JudaismLaw-practicing Christian denomination who viewed Jesus as a man, and who didn't consume alcohol and pork as well.
So of course Islam would view Jesus highly, because before Mohammad, Jesus was the main deal for their spiritual ancestors.
Actually Muslims themselves learn since they were kids, that there was "Islam" before Mohammad, it's a fundamental belief among Muslims that Islam didn't start with their prophet Mohammad.
viewtopic.php?t=359291
23 Feb 2018, 3:08 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Well, on the other hand, science also shows that Europeans, East Asians and probably even Caucasian Middle-Easterns have few neanderthal genes, so they are Homo Sapiens but slightly hybrid, while most black Africans are more pure Homo Sapiens. Of course that doesn't justify racism, but some may use this to justify it.
That Neanderthal DNA is a whole lot of nothing.
Neanderthals were white and had red hair ... and yet early Europeans continued to be brown long after Neanderthals became extinct.
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23 Feb 2018, 3:17 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Um...well, look it is a bit more complicated than that.
While some of those conspiracies are true (Like the Ossama-CIA relationship, and UK's support for Muslim Brotherhood), these are just modern politics exploiting something more ancient. The hostility between Muslim civilizations and Christian civilizations is even more ancient than that, it even goes to...before Islam itself!
Ironically, it's the difference on the view of Jesus is the root of this hostility. Islam is the spiritual successor of a much more ancient religion called Ebionism, an anti-trinity JudaismLaw-practicing Christian denomination who viewed Jesus as a man, and who didn't consume alcohol and pork as well.
So of course Islam would view Jesus highly, because before Mohammad, Jesus was the main deal for their spiritual ancestors.
Actually Muslims themselves learn since they were kids, that there was "Islam" before Mohammad, it's a fundamental belief among Muslims that Islam didn't start with their prophet Mohammad.
viewtopic.php?t=359291
While some of those conspiracies are true (Like the Ossama-CIA relationship, and UK's support for Muslim Brotherhood), these are just modern politics exploiting something more ancient. The hostility between Muslim civilizations and Christian civilizations is even more ancient than that, it even goes to...before Islam itself!
Ironically, it's the difference on the view of Jesus is the root of this hostility. Islam is the spiritual successor of a much more ancient religion called Ebionism, an anti-trinity JudaismLaw-practicing Christian denomination who viewed Jesus as a man, and who didn't consume alcohol and pork as well.
So of course Islam would view Jesus highly, because before Mohammad, Jesus was the main deal for their spiritual ancestors.
Actually Muslims themselves learn since they were kids, that there was "Islam" before Mohammad, it's a fundamental belief among Muslims that Islam didn't start with their prophet Mohammad.
viewtopic.php?t=359291
Of course, most people in the Western far-right don't even know about this.
Many people in the Western far-right have a high opinion of Israeli Jews, who also reject the divinity of Christ.
Most people in the modern "counter-jihad" crowd think that Islam is a "Middle Eastern death cult" rather than an Abrahamic religion. Addionally, many of the medieval crusaders seriously thought that Islam was a pagan faith about goat worship.
Another Thing: The link between the CIA and Osama Bin Laden isn't a conspiracy theory. It's a fact.
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23 Feb 2018, 3:19 am
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Well, on the other hand, science also shows that Europeans, East Asians and probably even Caucasian Middle-Easterns have few neanderthal genes, so they are Homo Sapiens but slightly hybrid, while most black Africans are more pure Homo Sapiens. Of course that doesn't justify racism, but some may use this to justify it.
That Neanderthal DNA is a whole lot of nothing.
Neanderthals were white and had red hair
If I am not mistaken , the red hair gene is recessive.
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... and yet early Europeans continued to be brown long after Neanderthals became extinct.
A mix of white and dark skin would still be considered....well darkish. Maybe the neanderthal genes wasn't the main factor that made European white over the years, there's also natural selection: the fair skin is better at absorbing sunlight for vitamin D production which is advantageous in the cloudy and cold Europe.
https://www.livescience.com/42933-human ... genes.html
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23 Feb 2018, 3:26 am
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Um...well, look it is a bit more complicated than that.
While some of those conspiracies are true (Like the Ossama-CIA relationship, and UK's support for Muslim Brotherhood), these are just modern politics exploiting something more ancient. The hostility between Muslim civilizations and Christian civilizations is even more ancient than that, it even goes to...before Islam itself!
Ironically, it's the difference on the view of Jesus is the root of this hostility. Islam is the spiritual successor of a much more ancient religion called Ebionism, an anti-trinity JudaismLaw-practicing Christian denomination who viewed Jesus as a man, and who didn't consume alcohol and pork as well.
So of course Islam would view Jesus highly, because before Mohammad, Jesus was the main deal for their spiritual ancestors.
Actually Muslims themselves learn since they were kids, that there was "Islam" before Mohammad, it's a fundamental belief among Muslims that Islam didn't start with their prophet Mohammad.
viewtopic.php?t=359291
While some of those conspiracies are true (Like the Ossama-CIA relationship, and UK's support for Muslim Brotherhood), these are just modern politics exploiting something more ancient. The hostility between Muslim civilizations and Christian civilizations is even more ancient than that, it even goes to...before Islam itself!
Ironically, it's the difference on the view of Jesus is the root of this hostility. Islam is the spiritual successor of a much more ancient religion called Ebionism, an anti-trinity JudaismLaw-practicing Christian denomination who viewed Jesus as a man, and who didn't consume alcohol and pork as well.
So of course Islam would view Jesus highly, because before Mohammad, Jesus was the main deal for their spiritual ancestors.
Actually Muslims themselves learn since they were kids, that there was "Islam" before Mohammad, it's a fundamental belief among Muslims that Islam didn't start with their prophet Mohammad.
viewtopic.php?t=359291
Of course, most people in the Western far-right don't even know about this.
Many people in the Western far-right have a high opinion of Israeli Jews, who also reject the divinity of Christ.
Most people in the modern "counter-jihad" crowd think that Islam is a "Middle Eastern death cult" rather than an Abrahamic religion. Addionally, many of the medieval crusaders seriously thought that Islam was a pagan faith about goat worship.
Another Thing: The link between the CIA and Osama Bin Laden isn't a conspiracy theory. It's a fact.
I read somewhere that Ancient Jews of Jerusalem viewed the first Arab conquerors as some Jewish faith - because these new conquerors restored holy jewish sites that had been shut down/neglected by the Christian rulers at the time, they viewed them as Abrahamic saviors of the Jewish faith from Christian tyranny.
Despite the hatred between Muslims and Jews today, true followers of Islam themselves can't consider Jews as heretics, but they consider Trinitarian Christians as heretics.
It's for that reason why, extremist islamists almost never target Jewish holy sites, not even synagogues, but they are much more likely to target Christian churches instead.
23 Feb 2018, 3:31 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Well, on the other hand, science also shows that Europeans, East Asians and probably even Caucasian Middle-Easterns have few neanderthal genes, so they are Homo Sapiens but slightly hybrid, while most black Africans are more pure Homo Sapiens. Of course that doesn't justify racism, but some may use this to justify it.
That Neanderthal DNA is a whole lot of nothing.
Neanderthals were white and had red hair
If I am not mistaken , the red hair gene is recessive.
Quote:
... and yet early Europeans continued to be brown long after Neanderthals became extinct.
A mix of white and dark skin would still be considered....well darkish. Maybe the neanderthal genes wasn't the main factor that made European white over the years, there's also natural selection: the fair skin is better at absorbing sunlight for vitamin D production which is advantageous in the cloudy and cold Europe.
https://www.livescience.com/42933-human ... genes.html
Additionally, Neanderthals had very primitive throat structure. They would have had difficulty speaking as a modern human does.
Europeans clearly didn't inherit any of that.
Addionally, Europeans often have big chins, even though Neanderthals had no chin.
That's why I think that whiteness evolved separately in Neanderthals and European Homo Sapiens. All of the Neanderthal traits were diluted and nullified during the rare instances of cross-breeding.
I'm sick of seeing "popular science" magazines exaggerate the connection between Europeans and Neanderthals. Those magazines run on sensationalism.
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23 Feb 2018, 3:33 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
I didn't say racism didn't exist before black lives matter.
I am saying, that the reason white supremacy groups are having an renaissance at the moment, is because of the rise of social justice.
I am saying, that the reason white supremacy groups are having an renaissance at the moment, is because of the rise of social justice.
These people have existed since someone decided they had a right to oppress someone else. They have just come out of their holes because they feel their status is being threatened.
Maybe, but if you look at Europe now, the reason why Christian Right wing is on the rise, and winning positions in politics, is undoubtedly a reaction against the muslim immigration, Islamism, Islamic terrorism, and the many incidents perpetrated by some Muslims or Islamist groups. You can't deny the cause and effect here.
That is Europe and Islamic demographics. Not the United States and American interracial relations. Minorities in the United States were the one's being subjected to terrorist attacks. Terrorist attacks on African American churches by white supremacists became so common in Birmingham, Alabama that people started calling it "Bombingham".
23 Feb 2018, 3:35 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I read somewhere that Ancient Jews of Jerusalem viewed the first Arab conquerors as some Jewish faith - because these new conquerors restored holy jewish sites that had been shut down/neglected by the Christian rulers at the time, they viewed them as Abrahamic saviors of the Jewish faith from Christian tyranny.
Despite the hatred between Muslims and Jews today, true followers of Islam themselves can't consider Jews as heretics, but they consider Trinitarian Christians as heretics.
It's for that reason why, extremist islamists almost never target Jewish holy sites, not even synagogues, but they are much more likely to target Christian churches instead.
Despite the hatred between Muslims and Jews today, true followers of Islam themselves can't consider Jews as heretics, but they consider Trinitarian Christians as heretics.
It's for that reason why, extremist islamists almost never target Jewish holy sites, not even synagogues, but they are much more likely to target Christian churches instead.
A+
During medieval times, Jews faced far more persecution in Europe than in the Middle East.
Jews also received almost no persecution in India, but that's another story entirely.
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23 Feb 2018, 3:37 am
Chronos wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
I didn't say racism didn't exist before black lives matter.
I am saying, that the reason white supremacy groups are having an renaissance at the moment, is because of the rise of social justice.
I am saying, that the reason white supremacy groups are having an renaissance at the moment, is because of the rise of social justice.
These people have existed since someone decided they had a right to oppress someone else. They have just come out of their holes because they feel their status is being threatened.
Maybe, but if you look at Europe now, the reason why Christian Right wing is on the rise, and winning positions in politics, is undoubtedly a reaction against the muslim immigration, Islamism, Islamic terrorism, and the many incidents perpetrated by some Muslims or Islamist groups. You can't deny the cause and effect here.
That is Europe and Islamic demographics. Not the United States and American interracial relations. Minorities in the United States were the one's being subjected to terrorist attacks. Terrorist attacks on African American churches by white supremacists became so common in Birmingham, Alabama that people started calling it "Bombingham".
Aside from that, White Americans see themselves as European descendants, American-European connection is deep rooted - so any threat at whites in Europe they see it as a possible threat that can be extended to them. Trump certainly used the Europeans problems with Muslims in his speeches many times.
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23 Feb 2018, 3:39 am
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I read somewhere that Ancient Jews of Jerusalem viewed the first Arab conquerors as some Jewish faith - because these new conquerors restored holy jewish sites that had been shut down/neglected by the Christian rulers at the time, they viewed them as Abrahamic saviors of the Jewish faith from Christian tyranny.
Despite the hatred between Muslims and Jews today, true followers of Islam themselves can't consider Jews as heretics, but they consider Trinitarian Christians as heretics.
It's for that reason why, extremist islamists almost never target Jewish holy sites, not even synagogues, but they are much more likely to target Christian churches instead.
Despite the hatred between Muslims and Jews today, true followers of Islam themselves can't consider Jews as heretics, but they consider Trinitarian Christians as heretics.
It's for that reason why, extremist islamists almost never target Jewish holy sites, not even synagogues, but they are much more likely to target Christian churches instead.
A+
During medieval times, Jews faced far more persecution in Europe than in the Middle East.
Jews also received almost no persecution in India, but that's another story entirely.
Many of the Jews of Morocco today are descendant of Spanish Jews who escaped the Spanish inquisition.
Many Jews of Lebanon - before Israel, were recent migrants who escaped Europe, Italy in particular.
23 Feb 2018, 3:54 am
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I read somewhere that Ancient Jews of Jerusalem viewed the first Arab conquerors as some Jewish faith - because these new conquerors restored holy jewish sites that had been shut down/neglected by the Christian rulers at the time, they viewed them as Abrahamic saviors of the Jewish faith from Christian tyranny.
Despite the hatred between Muslims and Jews today, true followers of Islam themselves can't consider Jews as heretics, but they consider Trinitarian Christians as heretics.
It's for that reason why, extremist islamists almost never target Jewish holy sites, not even synagogues, but they are much more likely to target Christian churches instead.
Despite the hatred between Muslims and Jews today, true followers of Islam themselves can't consider Jews as heretics, but they consider Trinitarian Christians as heretics.
It's for that reason why, extremist islamists almost never target Jewish holy sites, not even synagogues, but they are much more likely to target Christian churches instead.
A+
During medieval times, Jews faced far more persecution in Europe than in the Middle East.
Jews also received almost no persecution in India, but that's another story entirely.
European rulers became frustrated that jews wouldn't convert to christianity, but European jews had their own culture and were often on the move, and a clash of cultures as jews moved into new regions, one very insular, was likely responsible for at least some of the anti-semitism in Europe. In the middle east, jews had always been there, and the spread of Islam in the middle east represented a spread of an ideology more than actual people....and jews aren't evangelical so are not a threat to other religions.
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