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18 May 2018, 11:12 am

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This all happened so Trump could keep the support of his fundie and holy roller supporters, as they believe when Christ returns to Jerusalem he'll reward them and Trump for their faith by rapturing them off naked to heaven.


No it did not all happen because of that. It's because his boss ordered him to do it. Pulling out of the Iran deal and moving Embassy were for his Israeli boss. Nice try with just blaming it on Christianity though.


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18 May 2018, 11:17 am

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Lets see now, the Israelis leafleted the border area warning of what would happen if an invasion was attempted, they sent text messages, they issued statements in Arabic, they used loud speakers. Hamas still threw petrol bombs, laid IED's and fired rocks at the soldiers. They also brought women and children to the border, hoping they'd get shot for the cameras. I repeat, Hamas admit that most of those killed were from their 'military' i.e. terrorist, wing. I presume all those attacking Israel suggest they should just have let in several thousand Arabs whose declared intention was to kill Jews. Perhaps Israel should have used strong language? Did any of you know that this death toll was less than the daily death toll in Syria?


If Israel is so justified in their use of force then why did a Canadian Medical Doctor get shot through both legs by a sniper while in a high vis medical attention zone designated by international rules of war as a safe zone? Why did his friend, a medic, got shot in the chest and die on the way to a local hospital while observing the same rules of safety and self preservation while performing medical services in a war zone? And then why did the Chair of the UN Human Rights Committee issue a scathing statement to Israel to stop it's disgusting Human Rights abuses & excessive use of lethal force against largely unarmed protesters that pose no risk to human life?


Also, the death toll in Syria is caused by the US and Israel's Jihadi cannon fodder.

Under International Law, the Palestinians have the right to use force in their struggle for self determination and in their attempts to stop the occupying force. The occupying regime has no right to use force.


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20 May 2018, 5:41 pm

Here's the worst thing about these Middle Eastern conflicts: The extremists always show up and drown out the more rational voices.

A while ago, I went on some right wing sites. Half of them were saying "Trump is absolutely right! Hail Israel!" The other half of them were saying "This proves that (((Trump))) is a Jew puppet! People who still love (((Trump))) are being good goyim."

First of all, America is clearly the dominant one in the America-Israel alliance. America is the country with more firepower and more financial control. It's pretty absurd to claim that Israel is controlling America. The opposite is true. The American war machine has been using Israel as a puppet for quite some time now.

Second, anti-Zionist Judaism is being ignored yet again. Anti-Zionism has been a common trait within orthodox Judaism for a long time now. Once again, the extremists on both sides are ignoring this fact.

This further reinforces the lie that Judaism and Zionism are inseparable. Zionism was not a major part of Judaism until very recently. Prior to the 20th century, most Jews wanted to exist as respected minorities within other nations. For centuries, most Jews never even thought of creating their own state via self-determination.

Once again, the real history of the Jewish people is being buried.


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29 May 2018, 9:49 am

My thought on this and other conflicts going on in the region is that such has been in progress for centuries at least in one way or another.My own feeling is that The Israel government will continue to build illegal settlements if you want to call them that under international law. Honestly, America has violated a tonful of international laws all over the place and often try to point the finger at others when they carry out criminal acts.Amazing. My thoughts is that what is modern day Jordan & Israel should have been divided into 2 separate nations as simply go straight down the land whereabouts, you would have 2 sovereign countries in a manner of speaking prior to the British doing a unilateral action. Lastly, America needs to literally withdraw it's presence out of the middle east and quit interfering in various matters and not act like the police sheriff of the world.


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31 May 2018, 11:25 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Here's the worst thing about these Middle Eastern conflicts: The extremists always show up and drown out the more rational voices.

A while ago, I went on some right wing sites. Half of them were saying "Trump is absolutely right! Hail Israel!" The other half of them were saying "This proves that (((Trump))) is a Jew puppet! People who still love (((Trump))) are being good goyim."

First of all, America is clearly the dominant one in the America-Israel alliance. America is the country with more firepower and more financial control. It's pretty absurd to claim that Israel is controlling America. The opposite is true. The American war machine has been using Israel as a puppet for quite some time now.

Second, anti-Zionist Judaism is being ignored yet again. Anti-Zionism has been a common trait within orthodox Judaism for a long time now. Once again, the extremists on both sides are ignoring this fact.

This further reinforces the lie that Judaism and Zionism are inseparable. Zionism was not a major part of Judaism until very recently. Prior to the 20th century, most Jews wanted to exist as respected minorities within other nations. For centuries, most Jews never even thought of creating their own state via self-determination.

Once again, the real history of the Jewish people is being buried.


The wars in Syria and Iraq have both been for Israel. Trump scrapping the Iran deal actually will lose contracts and thousands of jobs. The lies about Iraq came from Israel and Israeli partisans.


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01 Jun 2018, 1:17 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
The wars in Syria and Iraq have both been for Israel.


This seems like an oversimplification. In reality, politics usually isn't this clear-cut. We aren't dealing with mathematics or fundamental forces which govern the universe. We are dealing with millions of people, and individual people are already complex.

I'm sure that there were other factors involved. For example, many oil companies and weapon companies supported these wars. These companies come from many different countries such as Israel, Australia, England, ect. ... but America has always been a major player because there is so much wealth and military might in the country.

I totally understand why so many people only talk about the American war machine. Is it only America? No, but America is a major player because America has a very powerful military and a very corrupt government compared to most other first-world countries.

Is Israel a factor? Yes, but it isn't the only factor.

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Trump scrapping the Iran deal actually will lose contracts and thousands of jobs. The lies about Iraq came from Israel and Israeli partisans.


Again, there are many people all around the world who promote these wars for their own selfish interests. America is the biggest contributor because the US military is so powerful, but there are war profiteers in many other countries as well.


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02 Jun 2018, 11:17 am

JohnPowell wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Here's the worst thing about these Middle Eastern conflicts: The extremists always show up and drown out the more rational voices.

A while ago, I went on some right wing sites. Half of them were saying "Trump is absolutely right! Hail Israel!" The other half of them were saying "This proves that (((Trump))) is a Jew puppet! People who still love (((Trump))) are being good goyim."

First of all, America is clearly the dominant one in the America-Israel alliance. America is the country with more firepower and more financial control. It's pretty absurd to claim that Israel is controlling America. The opposite is true. The American war machine has been using Israel as a puppet for quite some time now.

Second, anti-Zionist Judaism is being ignored yet again. Anti-Zionism has been a common trait within orthodox Judaism for a long time now. Once again, the extremists on both sides are ignoring this fact.

This further reinforces the lie that Judaism and Zionism are inseparable. Zionism was not a major part of Judaism until very recently. Prior to the 20th century, most Jews wanted to exist as respected minorities within other nations. For centuries, most Jews never even thought of creating their own state via self-determination.

Once again, the real history of the Jewish people is being buried.


The wars in Syria and Iraq have both been for Israel. Trump scrapping the Iran deal actually will lose contracts and thousands of jobs. The lies about Iraq came from Israel and Israeli partisans.



For some people everything is the fault of the Jews. Just pathetic.



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02 Jun 2018, 11:43 am

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For some people everything is the fault of the Jews. Just pathetic.


He didn't say "the Jews". He said Israel.

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05 Jun 2018, 4:12 pm

It wasn't oil companies lobbying for the war it was Israel. There was the oil for food program already. The plans for these wars were written out numerous times by Israelis. The link between Saddam and Al Qaeda were based on lies by Israel. Israel has been bombing Syria for over 10 years.


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