Speculative Evolution: Alternate Sapient Beings

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01 Jul 2018, 11:51 am

Human sized dinosaurs evolving into SapioSuarus is easy to imagine. They were already upright and bidedal. And they retained the ancestral five digit amphibian hand of the common ancestor of all land vertabrates (as opposed to ditching that for specialized forelimbs like hooves). So one could imagine them evolving opposable thumbs, brains, and then manipulating objects, and then acquiriing fire and technology. Indeed if that asteroid hadn't wiped the dinos out that may well be what would have happened. After sixty million years a race of smart dinosaurs would be chatting to each other right now on a world wide web system.



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01 Jul 2018, 12:34 pm

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After sixty million years a race of smart dinosaurs would be chatting to each other right now on a world wide web system.


Lol, love it!


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01 Jul 2018, 6:51 pm

mebbe they coulda bypassed the technological stage of development altogether. :idea:



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01 Jul 2018, 7:29 pm

What if spiders became sapient?

They could make tools and tech using their own silk! Imagine that!

They would also probably be matriarchal, as female spiders are typically larger.


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03 Jul 2018, 10:25 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
They would also probably be matriarchal, as female spiders are typically larger.


Hmm, I wonder would that have ramifications for our society as a whole, i.e. patriarchy going down the plughole, perchance?

What would a matriarchal world look like?; with or without sapient black widow spiders...

Hmm, and a 'world wide web' is now sounding ever so slightly...ominous...


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03 Jul 2018, 1:08 pm

Sianann wrote:
What would a matriarchal world look like?; with or without sapient black widow spiders...


A matriarchal world would be just as brutal as a patriarchal world.

Matriarchal animals are just as brutal as patriarchal animals.


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03 Jul 2018, 4:39 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Sianann wrote:
What would a matriarchal world look like?; with or without sapient black widow spiders...


A matriarchal world would be just as brutal as a patriarchal world.

Matriarchal animals are just as brutal as patriarchal animals.


Perhaps context is key here? Yes, there is brutality in the animal kingdom but surely for most species it's a last-resort, survival of the most hungry/defensive kind of scenario? There is much nurturing co-existing with savagery there so I'm inclined to think that most matriarchal animals will not hurt other animals just for the sake of hurting other sentient beings; that the will to hurt is functional and serves a logical purpose i.e. purely for the welfare of the group; and that sense of welfare is a temporal issue - animal consciousness is set predominantly to present tense - and this delineates an important difference between non-sapiens and sapiens. Sapiens are conscious of past, present (not really so much) and future; so under normal conditions we (as sapiens) are not going to kill the family pet because we're suddenly hungry right now. Therefore, nurturing in the animal world by matriarchal animals and nurturing in a hypothetical matriarchal world here are not strictly parallel; it follows that all other considerations of so-called comparative behaviours between said matriarchal animals and sapiens - along with sapient spiders - in matriarchal societies, have no real solid basis as being most likely true or even probable.

Naturally, I could be very, very wrong, lol!


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