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17 Jun 2018, 10:36 pm

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All I asked for, on another forum, was why americans would elect a Russian-supported agent as president, who makes friends with brutal dictatorships like North Korea. The thread was deleted immediately.

The number one reason cited for liking Trump is because he upsets "elites" (people who seek to control you/tell you how to live).

All "negatives" might be positives for "teflon Don", because some "elite" will whine about how Trump is upsetting them and that brings smiles to Trump supporters.


Who are these "elites" supposed to be?

Rich, powerful, connected business and political people.

Remember Michael Moore ... "Trump is the biggest F-You ...to the elites"


Few business elites are to the left, and about half of the political elites are conservative. Not to mention how Trump told said business elites that with his tax cuts he's just made them richer.
Seems to me that much of those elites are his buddies.

90% of billionaires and businesses are to the left. Few who maybe aren’t is oil and coal companies. All tech companies, all retail companies, all coffeee companies etc are left leaning.


“Of the 50 richest families, 28 mainly donate to Republicans and only seven contribute mainly to Democrats. Not all families stay on the same side of the political spectrum — 15 support candidates from both parties.“

https://www.forbes.com/sites/katiasavch ... democrats/



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18 Jun 2018, 3:48 am

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I personally believe you should always respect our Lord and Savior, which is The President. No matter who it is.
Whether he makes decisions that the majority of the people agree with or not, you should never diss Donald Trump, especially if the media makes it OK.

Why is it that OBAMA, who was a full-blown Liberal, was always respected and adored by the media but a hardcore Conservative is dissed by the media?

Cos we have grown into the most Liberal society in history, dissing Conservatives and all other political parties for their beliefs different from theirs.

The country is messed up, and he is merely trying to fix the country, even if he's doing it in ways those sissy hothead Liberals don't agree-- no, REFUSE to agree with.

Screw Liberals! Go Conservatives!
Screw lies! Go truth!

Obama is an economic conservative. He even joked he would be considered a Republican in the past (as the parties have shifted to the right).

Trump is an economic socialist type who wants to end free trade deals, enact tariffs, "protect" national industries, "protect" wages from businesses bringing in cheap labor, pro-"Americans first" NAFTA policy, label China a "currency manipulator" ... many of the economic actions that Bernie Sanders wants.

Likely, once Democrats or another Republican take over, these socialist policies will be killed, and economic conservative policies will be restored.


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19 Jun 2018, 3:35 am

Most rich people in the US are going to vote republican because the republican politicians guard their interests better.



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19 Jun 2018, 3:51 am

Google, Apple, amazon, Walmart, Android,Samsung, Microsoft,Sony, Starbucks, target, fredmyers, Albertsons, Facebook, are all liberal and so on and so on and so on. Please do name some republic companies? Bass pro shops maybe but they aren’t any where near those others. The left controls all tech business, the left owns the internet and social media. I can’t think of any that are right leaning.



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19 Jun 2018, 9:39 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
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All I asked for, on another forum, was why americans would elect a Russian-supported agent as president, who makes friends with brutal dictatorships like North Korea. The thread was deleted immediately.

The number one reason cited for liking Trump is because he upsets "elites" (people who seek to control you/tell you how to live).

All "negatives" might be positives for "teflon Don", because some "elite" will whine about how Trump is upsetting them and that brings smiles to Trump supporters.


Who are these "elites" supposed to be?

Rich, powerful, connected business and political people.

Remember Michael Moore ... "Trump is the biggest F-You ...to the elites"

No, the "elites" that Trump is going against are intellectuals, scientists and journalists; not exactly very wealthy peoples. The rich however have under Trump received new tax breaks.


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19 Jun 2018, 12:46 pm

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Google, Apple, amazon, Walmart, Android,Samsung, Microsoft,Sony, Starbucks, target, fredmyers, Albertsons, Facebook, are all liberal and so on and so on and so on. Please do name some republic companies? Bass pro shops maybe but they aren’t any where near those others. The left controls all tech business, the left owns the internet and social media. I can’t think of any that are right leaning.


Even if they say they're liberal, how many of them actually champion organized labor which is the cornerstone of leftism, or support a hike in the minimum wage? A while back, Fred Meyers pissed off the real left for firing their cashiers if their tills were short a few cents.


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19 Jun 2018, 1:08 pm

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Google, Apple, amazon, Walmart, Android,Samsung, Microsoft,Sony, Starbucks, target, fredmyers, Albertsons, Facebook, are all liberal and so on and so on and so on. Please do name some republic companies? Bass pro shops maybe but they aren’t any where near those others. The left controls all tech business, the left owns the internet and social media. I can’t think of any that are right leaning.


Even if they say they're liberal, how many of them actually champion organized labor which is the cornerstone of leftism, or support a hike in the minimum wage? A while back, Fred Meyers pissed off the real left for firing their cashiers if their tills were short a few cents.


They support all other part of the left besides labor. Left doesn’t care abiut organized labor anymore, you’re living in the past.
All the above donate and fund left leaning groups including gun control groups. They donate to democrat politicians, they silence and suppress right leaning people and groups. They very very left. The left has tons of billionaires supporting them. The right doesn’t have s single one. There’s no Soros or blumbergr spending billions on supporting gun ownership. Youtube is purging anyone right leaning, as is Facebook and google.



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19 Jun 2018, 1:56 pm

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Google, Apple, amazon, Walmart, Android,Samsung, Microsoft,Sony, Starbucks, target, fredmyers, Albertsons, Facebook, are all liberal and so on and so on and so on. Please do name some republic companies? Bass pro shops maybe but they aren’t any where near those others. The left controls all tech business, the left owns the internet and social media. I can’t think of any that are right leaning.


Even if they say they're liberal, how many of them actually champion organized labor which is the cornerstone of leftism, or support a hike in the minimum wage? A while back, Fred Meyers pissed off the real left for firing their cashiers if their tills were short a few cents.


They support all other part of the left besides labor. Left doesn’t care abiut organized labor anymore, you’re living in the past.
All the above donate and fund left leaning groups including gun control groups. They donate to democrat politicians, they silence and suppress right leaning people and groups. They very very left. The left has tons of billionaires supporting them. The right doesn’t have s single one. There’s no Soros or blumbergr spending billions on supporting gun ownership. Youtube is purging anyone right leaning, as is Facebook and google.


The right has plenty of billionaires supporting them, the most famous being the Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson, and the Waltons of Walmart infamy just to name a few.


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19 Jun 2018, 7:31 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Google, Apple, amazon, Walmart, Android,Samsung, Microsoft,Sony, Starbucks, target, fredmyers, Albertsons, Facebook, are all liberal and so on and so on and so on. Please do name some republic companies? Bass pro shops maybe but they aren’t any where near those others. The left controls all tech business, the left owns the internet and social media. I can’t think of any that are right leaning.


Even if they say they're liberal, how many of them actually champion organized labor which is the cornerstone of leftism, or support a hike in the minimum wage? A while back, Fred Meyers pissed off the real left for firing their cashiers if their tills were short a few cents.


They support all other part of the left besides labor. Left doesn’t care abiut organized labor anymore, you’re living in the past.
All the above donate and fund left leaning groups including gun control groups. They donate to democrat politicians, they silence and suppress right leaning people and groups. They very very left. The left has tons of billionaires supporting them. The right doesn’t have s single one. There’s no Soros or blumbergr spending billions on supporting gun ownership. Youtube is purging anyone right leaning, as is Facebook and google.


The right has plenty of billionaires supporting them, the most famous being the Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson, and the Waltons of Walmart infamy just to name a few.


They support themselves not the right. They’ve never dontated any money to rights causes.
Walmart is left. So think again. Walmart is anti gun, and dontates lots of money to left causes.
What’s next you going claim Starbucks is conservative



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19 Jun 2018, 9:27 pm

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No, the "elites" that Trump is going against are intellectuals, scientists and journalists; not exactly very wealthy peoples. The rich however have under Trump received new tax breaks.

Trump is taking on the rich and powerful ....

Things no other president would likely do

-He stopped "free trade" deals.
-He implemented Chinese tariffs.
-He cut individual tax brackets.
-He ended "Global Warming" research programs at EPA
-He gutted the EPA.
-He signed pro-coal executive orders (upsetting "green energy" billionaires).
-Vigilant fighter against illegal aliens, and "sanctuary cities".
-Still negotiating for a "pro-USA" NAFTA treaty.
-Actually, shrinking the number of civilian government workers.
-Wants a complete overhaul of government worker compensation.
-Demanding a Yuuugggeee Wall.
-Eliminated ACA mandate.
-Require UN and NATO to pay more of their "fair share"
-Threatens to cutoff foreign aid to countries that violate immigration laws.

Everyone one of these upsets some group of powerful people.


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19 Jun 2018, 10:47 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
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No, the "elites" that Trump is going against are intellectuals, scientists and journalists; not exactly very wealthy peoples. The rich however have under Trump received new tax breaks.

Trump is taking on the rich and powerful ....

Things no other president would likely do

-He stopped "free trade" deals.
-He implemented Chinese tariffs.
-He cut individual tax brackets.
-He ended "Global Warming" research programs at EPA
-He gutted the EPA.
-He signed pro-coal executive orders (upsetting "green energy" billionaires).
-Vigilant fighter against illegal aliens, and "sanctuary cities".
-Still negotiating for a "pro-USA" NAFTA treaty.
-Actually, shrinking the number of civilian government workers.
-Wants a complete overhaul of government worker compensation.
-Demanding a Yuuugggeee Wall.
-Eliminated ACA mandate.
-Require UN and NATO to pay more of their "fair share"
-Threatens to cutoff foreign aid to countries that violate immigration laws.

Everyone one of these upsets some group of powerful people.

Since when do the rich support the EPA or Global Warming research? Industries and CEO hate environmental regulations. And you're really blind to reality if you think that Global warming is a scam or that coal energy is a good thing. Global warming was a thing way before green energies became popular, by the way; and a lot of environmental groups are rather socialists to the point of nearly anti-capitalism.
Not that climatologists, being "only" scientists, make much money compared to the business elites.

And what is that thing about "vigilante fighter"? Do you really think that peoples "making the law" without due-process or accountability, able to going against anyone the don't like, is a good thing? Or do I understand it wrong?

Also, as much as today far right is saying to be against wealthy elites and what not, they were among the ones who were against Occupy Wall Street; a movement that genuily stood against wealthy elites.


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19 Jun 2018, 11:43 pm

sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Google, Apple, amazon, Walmart, Android,Samsung, Microsoft,Sony, Starbucks, target, fredmyers, Albertsons, Facebook, are all liberal and so on and so on and so on. Please do name some republic companies? Bass pro shops maybe but they aren’t any where near those others. The left controls all tech business, the left owns the internet and social media. I can’t think of any that are right leaning.


Even if they say they're liberal, how many of them actually champion organized labor which is the cornerstone of leftism, or support a hike in the minimum wage? A while back, Fred Meyers pissed off the real left for firing their cashiers if their tills were short a few cents.


They support all other part of the left besides labor. Left doesn’t care abiut organized labor anymore, you’re living in the past.
All the above donate and fund left leaning groups including gun control groups. They donate to democrat politicians, they silence and suppress right leaning people and groups. They very very left. The left has tons of billionaires supporting them. The right doesn’t have s single one. There’s no Soros or blumbergr spending billions on supporting gun ownership. Youtube is purging anyone right leaning, as is Facebook and google.


The right has plenty of billionaires supporting them, the most famous being the Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson, and the Waltons of Walmart infamy just to name a few.


They support themselves not the right. They’ve never dontated any money to rights causes.
Walmart is left. So think again. Walmart is anti gun, and dontates lots of money to left causes.
What’s next you going claim Starbucks is conservative


As a matter of fact, the Kochs and Adelson have been supporting far right candidates and causes all over the country, while Walmart has a long record of supporting conservative candidates while screwing over their workers.


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20 Jun 2018, 12:36 pm

sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Google, Apple, amazon, Walmart, Android,Samsung, Microsoft,Sony, Starbucks, target, fredmyers, Albertsons, Facebook, are all liberal and so on and so on and so on. Please do name some republic companies? Bass pro shops maybe but they aren’t any where near those others. The left controls all tech business, the left owns the internet and social media. I can’t think of any that are right leaning.


Even if they say they're liberal, how many of them actually champion organized labor which is the cornerstone of leftism, or support a hike in the minimum wage? A while back, Fred Meyers pissed off the real left for firing their cashiers if their tills were short a few cents.


They support all other part of the left besides labor. Left doesn’t care abiut organized labor anymore, you’re living in the past.
All the above donate and fund left leaning groups including gun control groups. They donate to democrat politicians, they silence and suppress right leaning people and groups. They very very left. The left has tons of billionaires supporting them. The right doesn’t have s single one. There’s no Soros or blumbergr spending billions on supporting gun ownership. Youtube is purging anyone right leaning, as is Facebook and google.


Where exactly are you getting your information? The right doesn't have a single billionaire supporting them? That is just simply not true at all. And why is it you only have criticizms for the left? you act like the right are some kind of lower status persecuted group in the U.S...which no right wingers are not facing systematic persecution. Is anyone being thrown in jail for right wing views?

Someone having their video banned from youtube because they threw in some hate speech or went to far with being totally anti-politically correct they violated youtube terms of service is not the same thing as systematic persecution its using their right to remove material that doesn't follow their rules. When is the last time you've had the government come and 'silence' you?


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20 Jun 2018, 6:58 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Google, Apple, amazon, Walmart, Android,Samsung, Microsoft,Sony, Starbucks, target, fredmyers, Albertsons, Facebook, are all liberal and so on and so on and so on. Please do name some republic companies? Bass pro shops maybe but they aren’t any where near those others. The left controls all tech business, the left owns the internet and social media. I can’t think of any that are right leaning.


Even if they say they're liberal, how many of them actually champion organized labor which is the cornerstone of leftism, or support a hike in the minimum wage? A while back, Fred Meyers pissed off the real left for firing their cashiers if their tills were short a few cents.


They support all other part of the left besides labor. Left doesn’t care abiut organized labor anymore, you’re living in the past.
All the above donate and fund left leaning groups including gun control groups. They donate to democrat politicians, they silence and suppress right leaning people and groups. They very very left. The left has tons of billionaires supporting them. The right doesn’t have s single one. There’s no Soros or blumbergr spending billions on supporting gun ownership. Youtube is purging anyone right leaning, as is Facebook and google.


The right has plenty of billionaires supporting them, the most famous being the Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson, and the Waltons of Walmart infamy just to name a few.


They support themselves not the right. They’ve never dontated any money to rights causes.
Walmart is left. So think again. Walmart is anti gun, and dontates lots of money to left causes.
What’s next you going claim Starbucks is conservative


As a matter of fact, the Kochs and Adelson have been supporting far right candidates and causes all over the country, while Walmart has a long record of supporting conservative candidates while screwing over their workers.


So why does Walmart donate to Democrats and support anti gun groups as well as refusing to sell guns to people who can legally buy them. Yup sure sounds conservative :roll:
There’s not a single rich person supporting any conservative pro gun groups, not a single one
They all rely on donations from individuals and it’s why you’ll never se a march on Washington because we don’t uabe some billionaires pay for transportation and housIng, there’s no billionaires offering free busses to take people to marches, they all paying for that stuff for left leaning groups like March for life, moms demand action, etc. we don’t have a Bloomberg on our side



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Kraichgauer wrote:
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Google, Apple, amazon, Walmart, Android,Samsung, Microsoft,Sony, Starbucks, target, fredmyers, Albertsons, Facebook, are all liberal and so on and so on and so on. Please do name some republic companies? Bass pro shops maybe but they aren’t any where near those others. The left controls all tech business, the left owns the internet and social media. I can’t think of any that are right leaning.


Even if they say they're liberal, how many of them actually champion organized labor which is the cornerstone of leftism, or support a hike in the minimum wage? A while back, Fred Meyers pissed off the real left for firing their cashiers if their tills were short a few cents.


They support all other part of the left besides labor. Left doesn’t care abiut organized labor anymore, you’re living in the past.
All the above donate and fund left leaning groups including gun control groups. They donate to democrat politicians, they silence and suppress right leaning people and groups. They very very left. The left has tons of billionaires supporting them. The right doesn’t have s single one. There’s no Soros or blumbergr spending billions on supporting gun ownership. Youtube is purging anyone right leaning, as is Facebook and google.


Where exactly are you getting your information? The right doesn't have a single billionaire supporting them? That is just simply not true at all. And why is it you only have criticizms for the left? you act like the right are some kind of lower status persecuted group in the U.S...which no right wingers are not facing systematic persecution. Is anyone being thrown in jail for right wing views?

Someone having their video banned from youtube because they threw in some hate speech or went to far with being totally anti-politically correct they violated youtube terms of service is not the same thing as systematic persecution its using their right to remove material that doesn't follow their rules. When is the last time you've had the government come and 'silence' you?


Social media sites are pushing to get rid of anyone conservative. I’d they can control the message they control the elections the left controls media so Social media was the rights and anyone not lefts chance to spread the word.
No when the big channels press YouTube hey like nope you didn’t violate any policy. Know who decides and tickets people? A super anti gun left leaning group YouTube hired. How’d you like it I’d say the tea party or nra we’re out in charge of deciding who gets to be on social media ? They are systematically banning and removing any slightly left leaning people. If you criticize the left you get banned, post a gun get banned, no hate speech at all. And when YouTube is forced to review they find no violations then need to change their policy to make sense of it.

People get wanted and a ticket for showing how to disassemble and clean a gun or showing old guns taken apart to show how they work. Is that hate speech to you? Is that violent to you? Cleaning a gun or showing antique firearms?

I watch plenty of people who’ve had their money taken away but YouTube still posts adds on their videos and now YouTube has been claiming bogus violations on them just because someone says so, meanwhile left leaning ones openly violate YouTube policy and all the reports get ignored and their channels get moved to the front page. You can’t even see right leaning channels or pages on YouTube front page or facebooks, you have to search for them, they also removed their channels from peoples subscriptions.
Crawl out from under the rock.



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20 Jun 2018, 7:13 pm

Your all’s king Obama wasn’t a saint