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29 Dec 2007, 5:48 am

There was no "before the big bang." That's a nonsensical concept. Time began at the big bang; by definition "before the big bang" does not exist. Nor does space exist "outside the universe." It took a while to figure out how to wrap my brain around these concepts, but the key is to avoid the tendency to imagine from without, and realize that it is only possible to observe space and/or time from within.



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29 Dec 2007, 7:56 am

how was there a big bang theres no oxejen in spase a no fire could be made a no sound waves sorry


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29 Dec 2007, 10:52 am

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how was there a big bang theres no oxejen in spase a no fire could be made a no sound waves sorry


OK... Big Bang theory beleives that all the matter that makes up the universe, or energy was all compressed into an infinatly small point called a singularity. You find these at the center of black wholes, but this singularity contained all the matter and energy we will find in the universe.

Now... for some reason the singularity exploded (this is the theory) their is no need for oxygen or fire, it was an explosion. You can hear the big bang today, turn your tv on to a channel that gets little or no reception, turn the dial of your radio onto a Mhz that does not come in clearly and you will hear it. The radiation is all around us in the backround.

Look at stars, huge burning speres the first ones were absolutly massive and very short lived. In these formed the very first elements, however hydrogen was always their, its the simplest atom and this hydrogen is basicly star fuel. The stars ignited because massive amounts of this atom collected around centers of gravety and when it got massive enough fusion inside the star turned this hydrogen into helium. The result is energy being released, so we have heat and light (basicly fire i guess... depending on what your definition of fire is, some say stars are balls of fire, others do not beleive this) but without oxygen.


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29 Dec 2007, 11:25 am

Time only "got started" with the Big Bang. And the laws of physics, i.e. natural forces like gravity and the electromagnitism that constitutes light (among other things), had to be "sorted out" in the first few billionths of a billionth of a billionth of a second. In a situation where time itself hadn't even been "invented" yet, how can there be a "time" before the bang? And even if one imagines som form of "frozen", timeless moment that preceeded the Big Bang, it must have been a dark and quiet one, with no light, no matter, no energy, no nothing...



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29 Dec 2007, 2:49 pm

what im saying that how is do we know its a big bang not a wimper


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29 Dec 2007, 3:33 pm

My friends a high school teacher for behaviorally disruptive kids, ( you know US ) and he said one of his students said the strangest thing.
The kid said the big bangs not a therory its fact because he was watching the Discovery channel and they had actual footage. :lol:



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29 Dec 2007, 3:39 pm

how?


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29 Dec 2007, 4:04 pm

Well thats the thing my friend couldnt make his student understand. What the kid watched was just a special effects recreation. Like when you see dinosaurs in the movies.

Ther used to be an old saying "believe half of what you see and none of what you hear"
NOW what? how do we update that? :lol:



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29 Dec 2007, 4:05 pm

so no more proof


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29 Dec 2007, 5:01 pm

I dont know.

Unless we invent time machines we can't videotape the begining of the universe.

When I watch YouTube on the internet I see some really neat videos of skateboard stunts, and things like that but in the comments section where viewers post what they thought of the video most people say its fake.

People dont seem to believe ANYTHING they see they think its a trick.



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29 Dec 2007, 8:22 pm

Bizarre thought topic

The most bizarre thought I can think of is the absurd type of extended metaphor called a pataphor, coined by P. A. Lopez after the concept of pataphysics invented by Alfred Jarry. Bizarrely absurdist, it can be a tad frightening, like a nightmare gone wild, as one image flows into the next in a strange dreamscape logic. It is lucid dreaming, when you know you are dreaming.

It is a difficult concept to explain. A picture is better. It can be visualized as when one of the holographic characters in Star Trek became aware of his own existence and took on a life of his own.

A pataphor has been described as a lizard's tale that has broken off and becomes a new lizard.

Pataphor poem by Ben Wikinson (Poetic example--you probably need to think in pictures here)
A poem is an empty room
in as much that nobody's in it,

but since I’ve arranged the furniture to my liking –
a personal feng shui, you could say, if you like –

please don’t mess it up by moving things
about, or by attacking the ordered scheme

which gets much better with a few reads, I promise,
with the club of initial criticism. Sit down. Take stock.

Have a look around you, notice its finer points: the plush
sofa making up the bulk of things as if some aphorism

or touch of wit, the gorgeously distractive mantelpiece,
finest oak table with a glass-centred transparency

that’s earthy enough, neither difficult nor tough; smeared
or unclear. Or the thick sprawled length of the shag carpet

here: out of vogue, perhaps, but dense enough to make
for ample roots that lend the room its depth; its feel. If you

take your socks off you can sense its soft caress; as if –
now you’ve hopefully become a tad more comfortable –

you’d lived in this room for decades, on and off, come and gone
to find these four tall walls your citadel. Take a book from the shelf.

See, reader, we’re not all that different, really,
dabbling our minds in the same sort of stuff. This room

will never be enough –
no need to trust me on that one,

we both know the truth of it –
but since – High Windows? good choice –

your thinking is not a million miles
from what, for all intents and purposes,

we’ll call mine, you can enter here, at least,
and get a sense of the reassuringly familiar

with a dash of the unexpected. Now look
up from this book, this book, and sense it

* * * *
Check out any pataphor website to learn more, if you like.



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29 Dec 2007, 9:45 pm

How about Stephen Hawking's conjecture that the Universe is the opposite of a Black Hole
and we may be experiencing time in reverse as everything gets sucked back into
the Big Bang :?:


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30 Dec 2007, 12:58 am

faith that what we do not know now will eventually bring us to infinite discoveries during the time line of life

oh.. and magic :P



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30 Dec 2007, 4:45 am

yes


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30 Dec 2007, 11:02 pm

There are thoughts that keep me awake at night but they usually have some application to my life. I think about mind boggling thoughts but they never are the ones that keep me awake at night.

An example is when I was thinking that maybe human logic is flawed. Maybe nothing we know is true since our abilities to reason is flawed. I can't imagine anything since meaningful since anything that I can reason out could be flawed if our logic itself was. I tried asking someone for fun once and he had a hard time even trying to think about it.