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skafather84
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05 Nov 2007, 10:19 pm

thoughts on him?



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05 Nov 2007, 10:30 pm

Hu?



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05 Nov 2007, 11:12 pm

For good or bad, it is probable that people of action like Alex are important for a free society. He excels at utilizing his fundamental right of free speech and expression.


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06 Nov 2007, 5:00 am

I wish he'd verify his claims more and not just make any bizarre claim.



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06 Nov 2007, 8:00 pm

Alex Jones, IMO, has poor critical thinking skills. He takes bits and pieces of information and strings them together in a rather weak fashion to support his own version of the illuminati conspiracy.

A lot of people are attracted to the idea of having "inside information" (knowing things which most people do not know or reject), so he has acquired a bit of a following. However, no serious journalists or academics take the whole illuminati conspiracy seriously.


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06 Nov 2007, 8:32 pm

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... However, no serious journalists or academics take the whole illuminati conspiracy seriously.


Of course not. They make sure that any one who peels up the rug is discredited. :wink:



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06 Nov 2007, 9:36 pm

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Of course not. They make sure that any one who peels up the rug is discredited. :wink:


But that is not evidence. Saying that true believers in a narrative, like the illuminati conspiracy, are discredited does not indicate that the discrediting is undeserved.


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06 Nov 2007, 10:44 pm

nominalist wrote:
monty wrote:
Of course not. They make sure that any one who peels up the rug is discredited. :wink:


But that is not evidence. Saying that true believers in a narrative, like the illuminati conspiracy, are discredited does not indicate that the discrediting is undeserved.



uh...discrediting isn't something that's "deserved". "deserved" indicates a personal agenda and like stephen jay gould points out....sometimes scientists see what they want to see instead of the facts.


me...i'm a skeptic. there's lots of things surrounding 9-11 that just don't quite add up for me and i haven't been able to find satisfactory answers for them.



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06 Nov 2007, 11:05 pm

skafather84 wrote:
uh...discrediting isn't something that's "deserved". "deserved" indicates a personal agenda and like stephen jay gould points out....sometimes scientists see what they want to see instead of the facts.


Well, as a poststructuralist/Foucaultian, I think that metanarratives (totalizing schemes), like the illuminati conspiracy, should be discredited or deconstructed. However, I try to do so politely and nonpersonally. ;-)

By definition, discrediting is only personal if the focus is on a person. I try to keep the focus on issues. As to personal agendas, I think we all have them - whether acknowledged or not.

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me...i'm a skeptic. there's lots of things surrounding 9-11 that just don't quite add up for me and i haven't been able to find satisfactory answers for them.


Perhaps, but, as the saying goes, an absence of evidence is not an evidence of absence.


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07 Nov 2007, 12:49 am

I'm sure there are groups out there that are capable of snubbing out evidence and leads to evidence. I'm sure that someone out there has a lot of control.



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07 Nov 2007, 8:29 am

I love Alex Jones but I'm not into the "A has B so all B must be caused by A" reporting style. At least though he gives me things to think about that I would have not considered. For instance the fact that George Bush's little bro Marvin worked for Stratesec that did security for The world trade center and Dulles International Airport, that's just weird, though he resigned shortly before the attacks. You don't hear interesting little stories like that on CNN.



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07 Nov 2007, 3:47 pm

anyone think that pat robertson supporting rudy guliani is a little suspect?



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07 Nov 2007, 3:48 pm

Prisoner655321 wrote:
I love Alex Jones but I'm not into the "A has B so all B must be caused by A" reporting style. At least though he gives me things to think about that I would have not considered. For instance the fact that George Bush's little bro Marvin worked for Stratesec that did security for The world trade center and Dulles International Airport, that's just weird, though he resigned shortly before the attacks. You don't hear interesting little stories like that on CNN.


that's the thing...if you do the footwork to fact check what he's pointing out...most of it checks out.



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07 Nov 2007, 6:29 pm

skafather84 wrote:
anyone think that pat robertson supporting rudy guliani is a little suspect?


That’s the first I’ve heard of that. Suspect? I find it completely bizarre.

I haven’t been keeping track of the positions of either of those two lately but I always assumed Robertson would always support the most anti-abortion Republican.



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07 Nov 2007, 7:12 pm

Jacob_Landshire wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
anyone think that pat robertson supporting rudy guliani is a little suspect?


That’s the first I’ve heard of that. Suspect? I find it completely bizarre.

I haven’t been keeping track of the positions of either of those two lately but I always assumed Robertson would always support the most anti-abortion Republican.



it was big news on cnn earlier today...last i saw, it was still the frontpage news for the politics section. i find it resoundingly suspicious.



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07 Nov 2007, 7:18 pm

Is he like David Icke? Fruitcakes.