autism speaks fires Donald Trump
Yeah, what are multiple reproducible, peer-reviewed scientific studies against a few people's intuitions about vaccines? Sure, there's been no change in autism rates since the formulations were changed; sure, the claims of an "epidemic" are comparing numbers from today against twenty years ago, when there were no HFA or Asperger's diagnostic criteria - but what are mere facts, against what people feel?
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wait a minute! in that plethora of hyperbole did you say there's been no change in autism rates since the formulations were changed
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well, that certainly changes a lot of things, doesn't it?
Merle
wait a minute! in that plethora of hyperbole did you say there's been no change in autism rates since the formulations were changed
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well, that certainly changes a lot of things, doesn't it?
Merle
Well, now, that's difficult to say. Every "analysis" I've seen in support of this "epidemic" uses 1990 as a baseline, which makes it a year too early for the ICD-10, and four years too early for the DSM-IV. Then, of course, there's the delay between publication of the new standards, and their adoption by the actual doctors concerned - there were still psychologists diagnosing homosexuality as a "mental disorder", per DSM-II, well into the Eighties.
The "formulations" to which I referred were, of course, the vaccine formulations, changed as they were in response to the (later retracted) claims of danger from thimerosal. As has been mentioned before, both the state of California and the nation of the Netherlands ceased using thimerosal-preserved MMR vaccines in 1999; yet the rate of increase of autism diagnoses, supposedly dependent on this very factor, did not change. (Of course, the anti-vaccine crowd immediately seized on other items, changing anew as each new claim is discredited...)
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Why has there been all this hyperbole about vaccines as a source for autism? It doesn't even sound intuitive! Why WOULD a vaccine cause this neurological change anyway?
I'm also glad to hear there are people out there challenging this idea of an autistic "epidemic." I've always thought that was pretty ridiculous, as if it doesn't occur to medical researchers that improved methods of diagnostics wouldn't actually skew the numbers...
Very interesting link OP.
I feel considerable sympathy for the Wright's daughter, so manipulated and gagged by them. (Of course we can't feel empathy for anyone!) - sarcasm.
My guess is that she is terrified of them and controlled by them, held in their power. That's what people with narcissistic personality disorder tend to do - they love to exercise power and control over other people, to pull their strings as if they were puppets.
The evidence mounts. You have to wonder...
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My wife said she thought she had heard how Rand Paul had also made an idiotic statement about autism and vaccines, saying that a seventeen year old who had never been autistic got vaccinated, then suddenly became autistic. If she heard right, then apparently it's stupidity among the GOP hopefuls that's epidemic.
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Robert Kennedy also believes there is a link based on data he had available at time. Is he a racist or a kook or uneducated?
media and Establishment sure hate him since he turned on them and caused a fuss about thermoisol after seeing studies not meant for public. And have been working to discredit him since. Oh yeah everything he does is good, but THAT. HE went off the rails. He went on drugs. Etc. Even recent he has two different terrible biographies by people never even around him.
As for research data... without a human it is never 100% accurate.
Ethics cannot allow it though infirm children were the test subjects of vaccine back in the day with HORRIFIC side effects before a "safe measles" was found.
And I find humor when the autobelievers in the religion of science talk about sooo many research studies. Like more done by same motivated groups is better. Even in my recent memory there had been "studies " that say Blacks are Inferior, Should I believe them because Laureates and Phds did sooo many studies? and Governments?
Do you know there were more on that subject with that result than vaccine safety concerning autism link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... ontroversy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
https://mightyminnow.wordpress.com/2007 ... a-pioneer/
http://www.icr.org/article/darwins-teac ... feriority/
http://judgybitch.com/2013/05/20/harvar ... -is-wrong/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien ... 94898.html
Look how recent a lot of that is.
Work by Charles Murray,
http://web.mit.edu/racescience/in_media ... out_human/
all peer reviewed so it must be incontrovertible fact.... lel
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media and Establishment sure hate him since he turned on them and caused a fuss about thermoisol after seeing studies not meant for public. And have been working to discredit him since. Oh yeah everything he does is good, but THAT. HE went off the rails. He went on drugs. Etc. Even recent he has two different terrible biographies by people never even around him.
As for research data... without a human it is never 100% accurate.
Ethics cannot allow it though infirm children were the test subjects of vaccine back in the day with HORRIFIC side effects before a "safe measles" was found.
And I find humor when the autobelievers in the religion of science talk about sooo many research studies. Like more done by same motivated groups is better. Even in my recent memory there had been "studies " that say Blacks are Inferior, Should I believe them because Laureates and Phds did sooo many studies? and Governments?
Do you know there were more on that subject with that result than vaccine safety concerning autism link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... ontroversy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
https://mightyminnow.wordpress.com/2007 ... a-pioneer/
http://www.icr.org/article/darwins-teac ... feriority/
http://judgybitch.com/2013/05/20/harvar ... -is-wrong/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien ... 94898.html
Look how recent a lot of that is.
Work by Charles Murray,
http://web.mit.edu/racescience/in_media ... out_human/
all peer reviewed so it must be incontrovertible fact.... lel
So what is your point?
Oh how cute.. pretend obtuse for response
Here ..after all walls of text CAN be hard for those that only scan read:
Should I believe every peer study as unchangeable in stone fact? (especially in newer sciences)
Specially them because Laureates and Phds did sooo many studies? and Governments?
My example for point was researcheven up to 20th century and beyond that claims black thinking is less and they are intellectually inferior to most other races... and btw has never had same number of studies DISprove it
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Just love your phrase: "autobelievers in the religion of science"
I (and the Dalai Lama) keep trying to get people to acknowledge that today, science is as much a "religion," i.e., faith based at its core, as any other religion. Just because I prefer science to other religions, doesn't mean I can't be agnostic about its postulates.
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