03 May 2008, 2:35 am
03 May 2008, 2:42 am
From the last post on page 1, it looks like you've set yourself up an absolutely unfalsifiable claim: Anyone who contradicts you is either clueless, in denial, or afraid to speak up, whereas anyone who agrees with you is brave (because there's all these clueless scared people in denial out there waiting to clobber them or something) and totally in touch with reality.
Which sure seems like a social game to me. 
And personally, I refuse to allow...
* My genuine forms of social intuition, totally different from neurotypical social intuition, in no way simplistic, but relatively common among some subgroups of autistic people
* Other genuine forms of intuition that autistic people can have
...to shoved under the carpet by someone who thinks they've found all the answers to life.
You say that just because some people perceive something, doesn't mean it's not there. But you're at the same time utterly discarding the notion that something you don't perceive isn't there, namely that some autistic people have some forms of social intuition, not some kind of hammered-together vague and rickety imitation of non-autistic social intuition, but something different altogether.
There are autistic people who can map the entire social pattern (including emotional reactions going back and forth, power dynamics, etc) of a room without even thinking directly about it, there are autistic people who can spot creepy people and their head games a mile away long before non-autistic people do, there are autistic people who can read other autistic people down to minute detail without even trying, and there are autistic people who can see a whole lot of other things coming long before anyone else does. We don't have any special powers, just a form of social intuition that differs from the typical kind, and picks up things the typical kind doesn't. This doesn't mean we pick up on everything that a typical person would. But it doesn't have to. It's still a form of social intuition. It's one that's different enough from non-autistic social intuition that there are non-autistic people who actually value the input of said autistic people, because we notice things they don't, or notice certain things long before they do notice them.
Yes, non-autistic people are off doing some social thing that isn't necessarily the same as what autistic people can do. It doesn't mean that's the only social thing around, any more than the visible-to-humans spectrum of light is the only spectrum of light an animal can possibly see.
And autistic people are not all alike, it'd be nice if you didn't essentially claim to have knowledge of this part of the skillsets of every single autistic person out there.
03 May 2008, 4:36 am
03 May 2008, 11:48 am
03 May 2008, 11:51 am
Which sure seems like a social game to me.
And personally, I refuse to allow...
* My genuine forms of social intuition, totally different from neurotypical social intuition, in no way simplistic, but relatively common among some subgroups of autistic people
* Other genuine forms of intuition that autistic people can have
...to shoved under the carpet by someone who thinks they've found all the answers to life.
You say that just because some people perceive something, doesn't mean it's not there. But you're at the same time utterly discarding the notion that something you don't perceive isn't there, namely that some autistic people have some forms of social intuition, not some kind of hammered-together vague and rickety imitation of non-autistic social intuition, but something different altogether.
There are autistic people who can map the entire social pattern (including emotional reactions going back and forth, power dynamics, etc) of a room without even thinking directly about it, there are autistic people who can spot creepy people and their head games a mile away long before non-autistic people do, there are autistic people who can read other autistic people down to minute detail without even trying, and there are autistic people who can see a whole lot of other things coming long before anyone else does. We don't have any special powers, just a form of social intuition that differs from the typical kind, and picks up things the typical kind doesn't. This doesn't mean we pick up on everything that a typical person would. But it doesn't have to. It's still a form of social intuition. It's one that's different enough from non-autistic social intuition that there are non-autistic people who actually value the input of said autistic people, because we notice things they don't, or notice certain things long before they do notice them.
Yes, non-autistic people are off doing some social thing that isn't necessarily the same as what autistic people can do. It doesn't mean that's the only social thing around, any more than the visible-to-humans spectrum of light is the only spectrum of light an animal can possibly see.
And autistic people are not all alike, it'd be nice if you didn't essentially claim to have knowledge of this part of the skillsets of every single autistic person out there.
I think you have a point. I have met a lot of aspies, (only 2 autistics though) and I have noticed that some of them are actually quite good with people, and manage to somehow socialise with NTs (though they prefer to be alone for most part.) Many of them learned through various ways via an ability they have, and others somehow pick up social skills by spending time around NTs and trying to do what they do.
Some other aspies find it more difficult. I am one of these people, and even though I am "mild" I struggle more with social stuff than many aspies I have met. Social skills are difficult for me, as I am very opinionated and very emotional and I cant hide my emotions if I try. I am also very blunt too and I often argue with people. I also have a remarkable talent for insulting people without even trying. My personality is pretty intense, and I have to watch myself a lot when I am around people, as my natural tendencies often rear up, even when I'm using my Dale Carnegie tips.
I think aspies vary in their ability to pick up and retain social skills, and that is why there seem to be two differing arguments here: people are talking about 2 different sets of experiences.
I can relate to Greentea, I dont think I want to do NT stuff socially. What I would like is to change my personality, but retain my openness, frankness, and oddness, yet I dont want to hurt peoples feelings and I dont want to cross obvious boundaries. Im not sure how I will do that though. It is something I think about a lot.
04 May 2008, 12:23 am
04 May 2008, 6:33 am
Thanks 
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06 May 2008, 3:23 am
06 May 2008, 7:10 am
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