05 Sep 2008, 3:15 am
05 Sep 2008, 4:09 am
It's a broken record from nice guys. From where I see things, nice guys are the cream of the crop. Maybe the females need to change.
I think that a lot of aspiettes would be willing to have casual sex with nice guys but because of our culture, they are afraid to be the black sheep. 
I propose we females bow down to our intellectual "brothers" and show them love and compassion. There are so many perverted aspects of sexuality that dominate our society. I say we rise against the status quo and show some respect for one another.
Aggression, submission, and power are NT characteristics.
We should stick to our ideals by choosing selectively if we are leaders 
And for the followers, let them have their cake and eat it too. 
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05 Sep 2008, 9:01 am
05 Sep 2008, 12:45 pm
07 Sep 2008, 1:54 pm
I think that a lot of aspiettes would be willing to have casual sex with nice guys but because of our culture, they are afraid to be the black sheep.
I propose we females bow down to our intellectual "brothers" and show them love and compassion. There are so many perverted aspects of sexuality that dominate our society. I say we rise against the status quo and show some respect for one another.
Aggression, submission, and power are NT characteristics.
We should stick to our ideals by choosing selectively if we are leaders
And for the followers, let them have their cake and eat it too.
Agreed, it is a broken record that keeps on playing on and on. I'm impressed that you think nice guys are the creme de le creme, either you are a minority of teenage girls/young adult women, or perhaps you have learned the hard way and spent time with jerks and learned that nice guys were good. I don't know how old you are Magnus, but you saying that nice guys are the cream of the crop makes me believe you're older, perhaps mid 20's to 30's, and therefore wiser. I believe that extroverted women who are older and more "settled" down will look for nice guys/introverts for stability. Opposites attract (supposedly), an extrovert helps an introvert communicate better socially, and the introvert provides a stable base of relaxation for the extrovert when they want to take it easy.
I digress, so I shall continue on. You said "Maybe the females need to change.
I think that a lot of aspiettes would be willing to have casual sex with nice guys but because of our culture, they are afraid to be the black sheep". I would argue that females, autistic or not, will never change until they are older and wiser. As the article said, because girls are so nice all the time, they want something more radical and aggressive to subtract from their mild mannerisms. Perhaps not true of all girls, but I see what the article meant. I can relate, I'm so nice all the time that I want to feel anger and power at times, because I am lacking in it very often.
You mentioning that "I propose we females bow down to our intellectual "brothers" and show them love and compassion" will never happen until women are older and wiser. They will have to get rid of this "hot-blooded bad-boy wanting" streak sooner of later, it is unrealistic. Besides the mentioning of females bowing down to their "intellectual brothers" is a bit submissive sounding, females and males should be equal to each other, not subservient. As for "casual sex", some autistic guys may want that, but what is sex worth? Yes, it may feel wonderful, but I think a lot of autistic guys want relationships, stability, opposed to the triviality of one night stands. What is love without stability? It is nothing but a worthless fling of emotions into a downward fall of loneliness.
In the future, hopefully our gene pools won't be so contaminated by jerks.
Idealistically it sounds wonderful, in practicality, it will never happen. Why? Because this is not a utopia, people have many different ideas and beliefs on what "love" is. The United States/American culture is a masculine culture, favoring things like achievement, power, aggression, wealth, status, fame, glory, etc. We are lacking in feminine-like culture traits, such as caring for others, being kind, being respectful, etc. This is why men are portrayed as strong, tough, and muscular, and women are portrayed as objects of sexual affection and desire opposed to actual human beings. Jerks will always be around, and women will always swoon over them, this is the nature of things, the immaturity of both men and women.
07 Sep 2008, 5:09 pm
I agree with you on a lot of points and you express yourself very well. I am 33 yrs old and I'm passed the point of trying to fit in.
Looking back to my early 20's, I remember girls sticking up their noses and trying to be the most unattainable and attractive female.
They would go so far as to spread vicious lies about one another. They protected their reputations as if they were standing in line to meet the prince or something.
Now, I look around and young girls are trying to emulate Paris Hilton 
and they listen to that song about a girl kissing a girl and suddenly it is cool for them to be promiscuous. 
Still, they think that the jerk guys are so cool and the rich guys are also a top choice.
A lot of those girls are just dumb, and I'm sorry to say it that way but, they just are the type of people that have original ideas and opinions. They certainly will not stand up for a just cause or stick their neck out on an issue like this.
So, forget those girls and let's keep it in the AS pack. Aspiettes are different and their minds are more independent. This is stereotypical but for the sake of trying to get a grasp on this, let's just forget about political correctness for a moment and use common sense.
I'm not going to explain the differences but you do some of your own research on that.
If AS people act naturally and females are submissive, that means no more NT games. If males are assumed to have the power then the females will not have to play that game and we get to the next level which is friendship and sex. The only way this could work is if the males act with integrity and honesty. That means no back stabbing and bragging after sex, and continue with the friendship.
Since nice guys already are more trustworthy I do believe that we can take a leap forward and our sexual nature will evolve. For those women who cringe at this idea, I want you to realize that by dropping your ego you allow for a more harmonious environment for humans to express love for one another. Peace, positive evolution, and happiness is more important than your wanting to be a princess or be admired like an idol or model. The goal is for the common good of mankind and it's not all about you.
I also believe that males should be allowed to engage in homosexual sex and not be judged. I love Socrates and he believed that this allowed for intellectual growth and necessary sexual relief. Same goes for women.
Look up bonobo chimps and common chimps. Common chimps are more like NT's and they are the ones who have war and hunt and things like infanticide are much more prevalent in that species.
One more thing I want to add to my opinions on this: I do believe that the ideal relationship is the individual with God, second to that is the Male/Female soul mate connection or the completion of the Yin/Yang.
We shouldn't judge if others cannot reach these levels, but we all should try to progress up to this. In the meantime, we'll need to express our animal nature in a healthy and non-harming way.
07 Sep 2008, 5:34 pm
07 Sep 2008, 10:55 pm
I'm not going to explain the differences but you do some of your own research on that.
If AS people act naturally and females are submissive, that means no more NT games. If males are assumed to have the power then the females will not have to play that game and we get to the next level which is friendship and sex. The only way this could work is if the males act with integrity and honesty. That means no back stabbing and bragging after sex, and continue with the friendship.
Since nice guys already are more trustworthy I do believe that we can take a leap forward and our sexual nature will evolve. For those women who cringe at this idea, I want you to realize that by dropping your ego you allow for a more harmonious environment for humans to express love for one another. Peace, positive evolution, and happiness is more important than your wanting to be a princess or be admired like an idol or model. The goal is for the common good of mankind and it's not all about you.
I also believe that males should be allowed to engage in homosexual sex and not be judged. I love Socrates and he believed that this allowed for intellectual growth and necessary sexual relief. Same goes for women.
Now if I'm not entirely mistakened, you were referring strictly to "aspiettes" as you called them. "If AS people act naturally and females are submissive, that means no more NT games". So are you saying that aspie guys and aspiettes should be together romantically because there wouldn't be any mind games and because aspiettes are naturally introverted, which would work naturally very well with the aspie guys.
If this is your reasoning, as I assume it is, I like it
However, I will give you my opinion on your idea. I think that theoretically, it sound wonderful, but it practicality, I question its effectiveness. Let's put this into consideration, we are a very select minority of people who have slight autism in this world. I don't know how many people have slight autism in this world, but the fact is, neurotypical people will ALWAYS outnumber us, they are the majority. Therefore it is extremely diffucult to find our fellow aspies since everyone we know, for the most part, is neurotypical.
The only feasible way I could see this working is if there was a dating website strictly for aspies in every state. But let's be entirely honest, how many people would get involved in such a dating service? Some people may be afraid/ashamed of being autistic and will refuse to engage in such a service.
The truth of the matter is, we have to take (in a sense) what we are given, and that for the most part is neurotypicals. I'm pretty sure that you have dated neurotypicals, because they were simply the only ones around.
We know that neurotypicals, because of their pride, arrogance, ego, and strong beliefs, will never change into that sexual revolution. Autistic guys and girls have a higher rate of pulling it off, but we are sparsely located, so it is difficult to find our fellow aspies.
As for homosexuals, that is your personal belief. I have my own belief concerning that, but I won't start an arguement about what is more morally correct or not. But I'm sure you can understand my concerns over this.
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09 Sep 2008, 8:14 am
Women are attracted to the selfish gene. Having the selfish gene is a survival trait. Jesus was strong, noble and wise , everything God expected of him, unfortunately because he lacked the selfish gene, to many woman, he would not be attractive
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