Our Ultimatium to Society

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Ok, the neurotypicals want us to assimilate into their society,but in all liklehood, we don't want to because of their hypocrisies. The very notions that they live are contrary to their values in which preach, and they cannot define what the values are.

So here is a list of demands

1.) Stop racism, sexism
2.) Stop living in a world of conventions, hierarchies and status
3.) Be willing to make your minds on things without others' interference
4.) Stop judging others on how much money they make
5.) Stop making us follow you're social trivalities, such as hair and clothes
6.) Stop looking for sympathy over stupid things, such as bad haircuts
7.) Stop obsessing over losing weight. Don't eat so much if it's a problem!
8.) Stop obsessing over age appearance. You will die, get over it
9.) Stop basing judgments on people by race and sex (eg Obama is the first African American president, Clinton is the first women secetarary)
10.) Learn to not judge people on their differences or according to your standards, but rather to theirs. This applies doubly if the person is from a different culture
11.) Everything is sex, drugs, celebrities, and rock and roll. Find something to relevant to discuss from time to time. Again, nothing against sex and rock and roll, but all the time?
12.) Stop preoccuping over irrelevant things such as Bill Clinton's affairs (as an extreme example)


Ok, I covered a huge gamut, but if I failed to include anything, let me know!

Also post your opinions.

Thanks

So you assume, that this list shows things that are typical for NTs and a NT society?

What makes you think, that Aspies/Autists would behave any different or build up a society that's any better?

And I don't care about nothing. I just want to be left alone. I just want to get rid of this society-triggered anxiety. I just want to live my life the way I want it. I just want everybody out there - in the big world - to stop persecuting me, only because I am different... I just want to be free.

Well, there would be no
1.) racism
2.) sexism
3.) obessesion of external trivalities(such as appearances, hair, clothes).
4.) people would be more accepting

Sounds like a much better society to me. The weaknesses would be

1.) We will be out there, and nobody would talk to each other
2.) Excessiveness would be manifestated in workplaces, infrastructure and social interactions
3.) Life might get lonely and depressing from time to time....

Yep, would be great. But what has that to do with Aspies and NTs?

You say, that Aspies are not racistic, sexistic and so on.
I just don't see your point, that Aspies by default are the better people. I think there are as many racist (and so on) Aspies as NTs and that a world with Aspies only wouldn't look that different as you may hope.

Really? Have you met a racist/sexist aspie?

I personally know three aspies, of different backgrounds and none of them are racist. Yes the random sample is small, but still.

And I am not implying we are better people, I am just looking at the weaknesses of NT society. Sorry if it sounds like Aspie supremacy, not my goal.

I don't know if you've noticed, but lots of NTs have lived, struggled, sweated, bled, and died for every single item on your list. Some are doing so as we speak, all over the world, in countries that don't even have roads, and with people who have to eek out a meager living without the leisure of chatting online.

You might want to stop drawing these kinds of lines and figure out that we have allies out there we can work with on these things. If we're the only ones who get it, the world is doomed. As a Jew and an Aspie and a woman and a mother and a human being, I do not, cannot, and will not believe that the world is doomed.

Fuck society, it's on borrowed time anyway.

(1) I like the notion of "cure yourself before curing us"
(2) I like the notion of "your (pop culture) obsessions are no better than our (special interest) obsessions."
(3) I like the notion of pointing out that a system of deluded, shallow social structure (false consciousness) is little better than limited social structure (simple social consciousness).

HOWEVER,

I think that a world run by myself would be fairly disorganized and chaotic. For example, the government would shut down for months at a time while I fixated on perfecting my egg-based sauces or analyzing some system.

They do suck in many ways, most especially in their shallow, hypocritical values and the mass delusions that they dream up and sell to each other (usually leading to one widespread bubble or crash after another) but NTs do run things better than I would.

Last edited by ephemerella on 16 Dec 2008, 11:45 am, edited 1 time in total.

Isn't that what we all want? I found it by going to university, where people don't generally have the time or mentality to focus on being hurtful and hateful.

Thank you, that is what I want.



Glad you found it at a university. Some of us (women) aren't made to feel so welcome without being the focus of unwanted attention.

To the OP: You're obviously bitter. But the NTs aren't a single Borg-like entity that's out to get you. NTs are as diverse as we are. While your critisisms may apply to certain persons, they certainly don't apply to ALL NTs as a whole. There is sexism/racism/ageism/judgement/irrelevent obsessing/hypocrisy etc within the diverse circle of persons with ASDs just as much as in the wider and equally varied circle of NTs.

I think this is a battle for all people, not just neurotypicals; however, I do think Aspies are less apt to do all this, but I will say from time to time, I do worry about my beauty including age and weight. It's not usually the subject of my conversations, but one thing I learned from the neurotypical world is that I get away with a lot more of my strangeness as a beautiful woman than I did when I was a little more on the ugly side.

The things that really bother me about this world in general is the morality. Even hell doesn't scare people enough into doing the right thing a lot. It's just getting worse. Like abortions, nobody is supposedly pro abortion, yet a large group of people out there are pushing them more than the choice factor, including planned parenthood who was founded on "racial cleansing" ideals. The fact that a black president is pushing their agenda (which doesn't seem to deviate much from their original intentions) only mocks black people and all others Margaret Sanger (one of the founders of Planned Parenthood) deemed as "unfit." Do you know little kids are partaking in that sexting activity? Not to mention you got all these corporations that hire based on a popularity contest and treat the workplace like it's high school, and then they start failing and killing this economy, so when the government steps in to bail them out, they blow that money on stupid things. Do you think Enron changed accounting practices? I'm here to tell you that a wide variety of businesses still lie with their numbers. A guy at Walmart somewhere in New York was trampled to death by shoppers, who also must have pushed down a pregnant woman too, because they wanted flat screen TVs. How many kids do you see scurrying about at Christmas trying to decide what non-profit act of giving they intend to do? Christmas is no longer about giving but about getting, and only getting. There's a big difference between giving something to someone and getting something for them. If people had any ounce of moral fiber to them, then most of the things on your list wouldn't be there.

I do also really think the NT's biggest problem is that they just often lack substance. They can't find anything relevent to discuss because they just don't care about it. If it doesn't feed the greed or ego, it's not worth discussing.

Again, back to morality, the thing that really gets me is say something and do another (the hypocracy). Like, they want to hire people with disabilities because they think they are understanding of it all, but when the guy in the wheelchair can't place something on that top shelf, there's no excuse to him not getting his work done. My favorite one of all is the religous hypocracy. If you drink a beer, you are going to hell. The same guy that told you that can be found at the bar on Friday night crappy drunk ready to pass out in someone else's vomit. I love, being a veteran, getting cut off and almost wreck because someone is in a hurry driving, and then I see them with the "Support the Troops" sticker/magnet. How many companies out there support autism but won't hire an Aspie because that person didn't have good enough communication skills? Equal Opportunity Employer? Yeah right, if they got that on the job posting, they are 9 times out of 10 not going to be that. I'm going to start ripping off some of these magnets when I see people doing the opposite of what they advertise about themselves. Maybe I could sue for false advertisement.

I'm sure I got a lot more, but I'm starting to really rant, and I plan on putting up Christmas decorations today, so I don't want to be in a bad mood for it. I know many people on here say to give the NT's a chance and this anti NT thing is getting out of hand, but I just joined this place, and I never got my chance to complain about them. You are talking 30 years of pent up aggression to a group of people that I just discovered a name for it. But a word of advice, you can make that list for yourself, but anything beyond three items would exceed most NT's attention spans, unless you got humor, then you can do a Top Ten.

Ok, this is going to be the longest post ever, but it's goddam worth it.

it's sad, the mentality of people, ok, so if Gandhi said be the change you want to see in the world, well let's see

1.) I am hopefully still going out with my Malawian girlfriend
2.) I treat everyone absolutely the same. No Animal Farm tactics here
3.) I am very good at self-reliance
4.) I don't swear to god
5.) I really don't care
6.) I am generally very understanding and forgiving, but somethings people are silly
7.) Again, Americans eat so much, it's horrible
8.) Of course this goes against plastic surgery and the other professions, but enough
9.) It's annoying, that this still happens.
10.) Again, with my girlfriend, I try to see her from the Malawian point of view(which ironically is more culturally similiar to my values then most...)
11.) Most of my friends talk about world issues, religion,environmental issues, social issues, friends and family. All highly substantial conversations
12.) I don't give a damn if Mr. Zonqankhulu and Mr. Wiseolowsky are going out with each other on a park bench in the middle of New York City

Now, why can't others emulate this example? Again, I am not asking for the universe, the stars or the moon. I am not even asking to find leprachauns and angels. I am just trying so that people's hyprocrosy is shuffled out....

P.S. I am favor of abortion if it's in the case of rape or sexual abuse, or simplying inability to take care of a baby.