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31 Dec 2008, 9:56 am

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It's a spectrum, everyone is effected differently, some have certain symptoms more than others, some have some symptoms not at all.


These are the official symptoms.

If one doesn't meet them, they're not autistic.

There's no 'not meeting any of the criteria' but 'nevertheless autistic'. That doesn't exist.


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31 Dec 2008, 9:57 am

Sora wrote:
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It's a spectrum, everyone is effected differently, some have certain symptoms more than others, some have some symptoms not at all.


These are the official symptoms.

If one doesn't meet them, they're not autistic.

There's no 'not meeting any of the criteria' but 'nevertheless autistic'. That doesn't exist.


But if they meet some other criterias then they could be autistic...



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31 Dec 2008, 10:04 am

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But if they meet some other criterias then they could be autistic...


Wait a moment, I summarised the criteria. That are all criteria there are.


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31 Dec 2008, 10:07 am

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But if they meet some other criterias then they could be autistic...


Wait a moment, I summarised the criteria. That are all criteria there are.


The Aspie-test says otherwise...



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31 Dec 2008, 10:13 am

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My entirely non-autistic friend who is ridiculously empathic, gifted but who dislikes many peers and doesn't think highly of social chit-chat of peers scored half-AS. I am a bit confused.


It is exactly because he is non-autistic that he is half-AS (and not AS).



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31 Dec 2008, 10:33 am

Your Aspie score: 139 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 82 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie


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31 Dec 2008, 10:38 am

One thing these tests don't seem to take into account is how people have adapted to living with Aspergers over the years. I purposely took the rdos test twice - once as I am now aged 48 and a second time as I would have answered it twenty years ago aged 18. The results were very different. While now I am just in the "possibly" category at aged 18 my results would have been very Aspie. I forgot the exact figures it was nearly a year ago I took the tests.

I can't speak for other Aspies, but my social skills have improved a vast amount over the years. While other aspects of aspergers remain, including the physical symptoms such as problems with noise, ocd, some stim related behaviour etc.

Have any other Aspies tried taking the test twice like this?


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31 Dec 2008, 10:41 am

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But if they meet some other criterias then they could be autistic...


Wait a moment, I summarised the criteria. That are all criteria there are.


The Aspie-test says otherwise...


No.

The AS quiz asks for various traits and circumstances that are associated with AS if fitting a certain type.

However various of these questions ask for traits that can appear in non-autistic individuals too without these traits being autistic. That's why it's not a diagnosis (I think it even said so once/says so)

For example: Feeling out-of-sync.
Yes, a European might feel out of sync if going to China. Autism is not the only reason for feeling out of sync.

Unconventional ways of solving problems.
Giftedness, atypical education, moving to another place, speaking another native language are all reasons that can lead to recognised unconventional ways of solving problems.

A need for periods of contemplation.
Introverts do need that.

Finding it hard to learn things they're not interested in.
Besides other disorder, this is something many students complain about. 'Uh, school's so boring, I won't attend that class or listen to the teacher.'

Difficulty taking notes in lectures.
There are various reasons for that. Even talking and socialising too much in a lecture and thus failing to take notes.

Preferring to wear the same clothes and foods.
Most people automatically do that, because they cannot buy new clothes all the time or because making new foods consumes too much time and money.

Needing certain routines.
Everybody has, it's a common feature of people.

Enjoying meeting new people.
A person can not care about it for others reasons than autism. Some people say they really know enough people for the moment, no need to get involved with even more that they have no time for.

Interest in current fashion.
It's not an ASD feature alone not to be interested in this.

Gossip.
There are truthful and compassionate non-autistic.

Hyperactive.
Countless reasons to be that besides autism.

Frustration about not sitting in heir favourite seat.
'Frustration' is a term that can be stretchered a lot. It is frequently interpreted as 'dislike'. There are various totally non.-autistic reasons for a dislike of being forced to change seats.

Saying socially-inappropriate things.
Move towns, coutnries, speak a different langauge, be of a different religion, be differently educated and you can sure tun into misunderstandings because you say inappropriate things.

I'm going to stop now because there's a call.

I want to point to that: It all changes depending on your interpretation.



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It is exactly because he is non-autistic that he is half-AS (and not AS).


No. AS isn't half autism. AS and HFA are often used interchangeably.

When they diagnosed me they used an IQ test to determine whether they'd give me the AS diagnosis or the classical diagnosis.


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31 Dec 2008, 10:43 am

There is no point arguing with you, Sora, because it seems clear I wont change your mind. Best not waste both of our time.



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31 Dec 2008, 10:48 am

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There is no point arguing with you, Sora, because it seems clear I wont change your mind. Best not waste both of our time.


Why would you want to change my mind? Of course that is impossible, it is mind after all.

I will advise you for future discussion to not speak about matters you cannot know. Namely, my friend.


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31 Dec 2008, 10:50 am

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It is exactly because he is non-autistic that he is half-AS (and not AS).


No. AS isn't half autism. AS and HFA are often used interchangeably.

When they diagnosed me they used an IQ test to determine whether they'd give me the AS diagnosis or the classical diagnosis.


And where I wrote that AS is half-autism?



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31 Dec 2008, 10:57 am

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There is no point arguing with you, Sora, because it seems clear I wont change your mind. Best not waste both of our time.


Why would you want to change my mind? Of course that is impossible, it is mind after all.

I will advise you for future discussion to not speak about matters you cannot know. Namely, my friend.


I dont know your friend but I know about AS, and I know it effects people at different levels, so there is a chance your friend could have Asperger's.



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31 Dec 2008, 11:05 am

All these quizzs (AQ, ASQ, etc.) have a problem: I think that they add points (i.e., you have "x" points in each question and the result is the sum). Because that, a person who is mild/moderate in all symptoms has a result similar to a person who is severe in some symptoms and "normal" in others.

Then, a person who has other condition (OCD, ADHD, etc) could have the same score that a person with a moderate case of AS.

Perhaps the quizz should work multiplying points instead of adding?



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31 Dec 2008, 11:15 am

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It is exactly because he is non-autistic that he is half-AS (and not AS).


No. AS isn't half autism. AS and HFA are often used interchangeably.

When they diagnosed me they used an IQ test to determine whether they'd give me the AS diagnosis or the classical diagnosis.


And where I wrote that AS is half-autism?


You said that because they are non-autistic, they are half-AS. That means that someone who is half-AS is non-autistic. So one half of AS is not autism,, because people with half-AS do not have autism. Which would mean that people with full AS, both halves, are half-autism and half-not.


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There is no point arguing with you, Sora, because it seems clear I wont change your mind. Best not waste both of our time.


Why would you want to change my mind? Of course that is impossible, it is mind after all.

I will advise you for future discussion to not speak about matters you cannot know. Namely, my friend.


I dont know your friend but I know about AS, and I know it effects people at different levels, so there is a chance your friend could have Asperger's.


Now you're doing it again, aw, man.

If it's important, then let's try to highlight the misunderstanding. It appears we disagree so much because we both have a different understanding of AS. Could that be?

I think of AS as defined by the official criteria of both DSM and ICD. (The popular criteria.) I think that all those who're AS must meet them or must have met them in the past/childhood.


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31 Dec 2008, 11:27 am

AS is defined by the traits. If you have some traits, you have mild AS. If you have a lot of the traits then you have more "severe" AS. And of course there is a group in the middle.

Clearly there is a possibility that your friend could have mild AS.