How accurate is the Aspie Quiz?

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Of course, you are right about the severity and differences of AS.

But what traits? That is what I've been asking. Do those with AS have red noses and easily blush? Just joking, but that's what I am talking about. Not how much traits they have (10, 20 or zero), but what traits are AS.

Previously, you pointed towards the AS quiz. If the traits is asks for is your definition of AS, that is fine. But then of course you cannot change my mind. Your experiences might tell you that what the quiz asks for are just traits of AS.

My experiences and knowledge tell me AS and ASDs are different.

I am just worried that you tried, apparently, to change my mind on anything. That's never been the point of this discussion and shouldn't be. I am entitled to my own opinion as you are entitled to your own opinion.

The traits I am referring to are the known Apserger's traits... I am confused as to why you are wondering what traits I am talking about.

I agree with your last point, we all have our own opinions, the point I am trying to get across and the thing I'm trying to change your mind about is that your friend could have AS.

Irrelevant.



Not a criteria of AS either.



That is more like it, and those questions are the key questions in Aspie-quiz.



That will also give low Aspie score and high NT score.



Irrelevant. Aspie-quiz doesn't measure impairment.

Aspie-quiz uses a weighted sum, while the AQ indeed uses an ordinary sum.



Only because those are comorbid conditions to ASDs.



Hmm, then the result would be zero if any of the questions are answered with a NO.

There is no simple answer to what traits are AS. Of course, if you read the diagnostic manual, it will tell you (probable) AS-traits, but that is an artificial definition. Another way to go about the issue is to check correlations between ASD diagnosis and traits. With the latter definition, most of human variation is related to ASDs. Aspie-quiz uses the second approach, and puts limits on how big correlation a trait needs, and selects the most diverse questions possible to catch the breadth of ASDs.



Aspie-quiz doesn't use the DSM in any way. It explores natural properties of human diversity.



My experience tells me otherwise. It is not possible to separate AS from ASDs, nor ASDs from ADHD, social phobia and many other DSM diagnosis.

? Not in the DSM-IV-TR as part of criteria A1 and A4, though more directly mentioned in the ICD-10:


and even more so:


If you say irrelevant, I'll take your word and assume it means 'entirely irrelevant in regards to everything including ASDs'?



I am confused as to irrelevant to what?

Because it is a criterion of the DSM-IV-TR:



None in the ICD-10 that I know of, that is correct.



That was what I was talking about.



The DSM-IV-TR and ICD-10 demand an impairment of which I was talking about, obviously.

rdos, your quiz is good, no doubt. Especially compared to the AQ test and other ASD related questionnaires for teenagers and adults (if there are any, in other countries maybe). It asks for traits that are often associated with AS unlike the unfitting questionnaires that are currently in use.

But as a stand-alone, it is a quiz that without the specification what is meant by the questions and why a person answers positively to them and whether they should or should not have answered that way (e.g. confused by their own behaviour or the environment) cannot diagnose a person or always correctly point to that their traits are autistic. That's what I was talking about for the last few posts.

And I really stand by that, because I'm perfectly able to find various professionals who will diagnose and undiagnose people with various mental disorders and neurological conditions based on that they do not implore the overall condition (or lack thereof) and the reasons that a person has for behaving the way they do.



I wasn't talking about what AS is or what it isn't in real, I was talking about what traits DeLoreanDude was talking. That is a difference.



And there must also be few people who do not fit that, given that this sorting is a process that doesn't take each person on this planet into account. Especially not how they interpret what is meant, if the version is already interpreted by a translation into another language.



And that is why there is this discussion.

I am talking about the DSM and its definition of AS all along and if another is not doing that and talking about even a slightly different definition of AS but doesn't say so in a discussion about whether a person has traits of AS, then that's going to lead to confusion and annoyance.



Wait a moment. I was referring to the sentence I wrote before that. Different from that, not that AS and autism are different. Your answer doesn't give a hint on whether you understood it like that or the way I meant it.

Anyway, that's the point. Opinions, especially those based on personal experience, do not need to be the same. Cannot be, seeing how we're all so different even if we come under the header of autism.

I think it is more

- if you have mild traits, you have mild AS
- if you have severe traits, you have severe AS
- if you have only some traits (mild or severe), you don't have AS

Well, it is possibel to have AS without having all the traits, but at least all "families of traits" (dificulties in social interaction, repetitive behaviours) should be present.

Well, perhaps the best formula is something like (a1*x1 + a2*x2+...)*(an*xn + am*xm + ....)*....

x1,2... answers
a1,a2... ponderation for each answer
(....) - "families" of traits

The intention of Aspie-quiz is not to diagnose ASDs, even though this was tried a while back, and largely failed. The intention of Aspie-quiz is to measure the personality-type that often goes with ASDs, and to measure it with direct traits and not problems in the interaction with the environment (NTs). That's why it is also a useful tool for people that have no interest in ASD-diagnosis, for instance because they have learned to cope with the traits so they are almost indistunguishable from NTs, One could potentially also use it as a tool before diagnosis, provided one realizes that the DSM also require problems in daily life, which Aspie-quiz doesn't require.



The interpretations are pretty well-known because of correlation-analysis, but I agree that translations could cause problems. In fact, I just checked consistency of some translations, and there are a few problems with some translations that need to be addressed.

My personal opinion is that severity is not related to number of traits (or even scores in Aspie-quiz). Severity more likely is related to how big problems a person has in relation to his/her environment. Some traits contribute more to problems than others, but Aspie-quiz has largely selected out traits that contribute a lot to severity. Therefore, some other tool is needed to measure severity. Severity could potentially be measured with some standard anxiety test in combination with an IQ test or something like that.

That might be a possible approach.

I like it. It helped me accept my AS diagnosis. I was skeptical of my diagnosis at first, because I'm not a textbook case of the DSM-IV criteria. I like how it has lesser-known AS symptoms like toe-walking on the questions, because I have many of said lesser-known symptoms. When I found myself having 85% of the symptoms on the quiz, I realized that the AS diagnosis was correct. So, I think it's good for people who are skeptical of their diagnosis or as a tool for people who are thinking about seeking a diagnosis to decide if seeking a diagnosis would be worthwhile.
-OddDuckNash99-

I scored 144/200 (as Aspie) on the quiz and scored 34 and then 39 on the AQ test.

I agree with rdos, the quiz is only about identifying traits, it does not diagnose nor is it meant to diagnose. It is just like those character type quizes you get on the internet e.g. where do you score on the introvert/extrovert scale, albeit much more nuanced. So it is about character traits and nothing else. Diagnosis is obviously not about scoring sums or scaling, it is about a judgement if a person meets a diagnostic criteria. So to ask whether it is accurate or not, I believe, is kinda irrelevant.

Your Aspie score: 127 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 73 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie

I'm still new with this & not sure I can judge accuracy of test, but it corresponds with what I've learned so far. Took another test, the Cambridge one, & scored 35 - about similar to this score, I think. Not looking for a box to fit into, just gives me a bit more insight. AS is the closest I've felt to knowing myself (except for my gender odyssey, which has been enlightening as well). It's easier to accept being 'different' if you know why.

Hugz...

Sora: didn´t you say your friend had "half AS"? Doesn´t this mean that they had half AS traits, as well as half NT traits? (I assume). Might that not be accurate? My guess is that some people with AS may have a half-half score, as well as some NTs that have a few AS personality traits, but are NT; I assume that for reasons like this (mid score), it should not be used as a diagnostic tool. There are some NTs that have some AS traits...(like, my Dad, as well as most of my friends). Tony Attwood says that often there are clusters of AS traits that run in families, but you need a certain number of these traits to reach a diagnosis. Your friend may be NT, but with more AS personality traits than most.

Also: I think the translation of a question like "can you take notes in lectures?" means are you CAPABLE of taking notes in lectures? I don´t think anyone would say "no" because they socialize too much! I think an NT who doesn´t take notes in lectures due to socializing recognizes the fact that they are capable of taking notes, if they wanted to. For instance.