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16 Dec 2005, 12:46 pm

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You made flippant and potentially degrading and shallow comments about a minority. You didn't deny anybody voting rights, but NO FORM OF RACISM is allowed on WP.

But the guidelines make no mention of that. On your reasoning, I could get an official warning for saying flippant and shallow things about your democrat political party.



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16 Dec 2005, 12:49 pm

Racism is defined in the guidelines :

vetivert in the guidelines wrote:
(a) Racism, sexism, etc. is defined as prejudice (opinion) or discrimination (action) against a person based on a characteristic over which they have no control – their race, gender, sexual orientation (homophobia), age, disability, etc. It is the use of stereotypes to define a person, or portraying them solely on the basis of that characteristic.



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16 Dec 2005, 12:52 pm

ascan, you were discriminating against minorities. Can we give this a rest? You're never gonna be satisfied.

*done with this thread*


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16 Dec 2005, 12:52 pm

ascan wrote:
Of course, contributers may be rewarded with fast-track promotion to the moderator clique for all I know.


Not true. Just so you know.

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16 Dec 2005, 12:56 pm

Sophist wrote:
ascan, you were discriminating against minorities. Can we give this a rest? You're never gonna be satisfied.

*done with this thread*

You can't show how what I said breached the guidelines. I've given you all ample opportunity.

I didn't breach the guidelines as far as racism is concerned. QED



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16 Dec 2005, 1:02 pm

You are welcome to disagree with the mods decision but the warnings stands.


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16 Dec 2005, 7:15 pm

I cant believe how long you guys are fighting about this.



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16 Dec 2005, 7:35 pm

yea, mods can be harsh, especially when they delete stuff you posted. freedom of speech is fleeting



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16 Dec 2005, 7:50 pm

instead of being offended when you post something in the wrong place and it is moved,think and post it somewhere that it will be more appreciated


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16 Dec 2005, 7:52 pm

Sophist wrote:
You are welcome to disagree with the mods decision but the warnings stands.
mr beans beard offends me greatly,remove it at once or I shall warn you!! !!

OOOOH WARNING!


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16 Dec 2005, 8:02 pm

Can the people fighting stop already? I got a headache reading this.



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16 Dec 2005, 8:36 pm

Here is the problem;
ascan believes that they are justified by definition (the actual wording in the guidelines).

Sophist believes that they are justified by definition (the actual wording in the guidelines).

Now ascan(does it mean aspies can?) has a gift. The ability to gateher all the facts and put them in an orderly manner which supports their position (great talent too)


Now Sophist (meaning; can see and arue both sides) has a gift. The ability to gateher all the facts and put them in an orderly manner which supports their position (great talent too)

But the distinction here is ascan has something to lose, good standing in the community.
Sophist would lose as well; she would have to lie if she were to agree and a lie would aid in her view from the community as not favorable, she too would lose her good standing in the community.

What was really lost by ascan?

Your talents have been noted (personal note; i do belive that you have remarkable skill and would be an incredible asset as a representative of something) it is clear that you do not agree with the warning, but your work is done here, and i think you have made your point ( i am leaning towards you on this one, great skill indeed) and perhaps you have done something great. You planted a seed, which may affect future rulings.
Any further redundancy would tend to cheapen the argument. You have been vindicated, and warnings do go away, i believe i read them that way.


Sophist, i was thinking about an open air forum gallery.

a place in which heated debate and argument can go further than the norm, only if it is not handled behind someones back. meaning; if i am going at you and you back at me, then we could get as dirty as needed to further our position.

It seems like it happens anyway, but their would then be a time and place for it and not at the expense of personality. People like and they dont like others anyways.

you could call it the ANTI-HAVEN and under the description you could wrtite, not for the faint at heart, pacifists beware, do not enter, this forum is designed for audults only. aDULT sIZED dEBATE. bottom line is that since that does not exist currently, those who are rebels, or the toing the line types will have a need to act.
besides, when you illicit passion you may get some great dialogue. it may teach some here not to be so sensitive, or other communication skills. i see many debates turning RED with anger, and to ultimately be resolved through understanding or apologies., That is called full cirle communicating. Sometimes there will remain ill feelings, but isn't that what we currently have.

Some don't like to be told anything and this would be their haven.

Their would still be rules like no porno, no physical threats and no crying about it if your feelings got hurt.

that is all


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16 Dec 2005, 8:36 pm

ascan wrote:
You can't show how what I said breached the guidelines. I've given you all ample opportunity.

I didn't breach the guidelines as far as racism is concerned. QED


My 2 cents:

The post doesn't seem to be literally racist, in the sense you were making comments about a minority religious group instead of a minority ethnicity.

However, I think that minority religious groups can and do fall under the "etc" in the guidelines, because may people are born into religions and can not change them without suffering sever consequences. (Whether or not this is morally right is besides the point - the consequences are there for some of those people.) Hence, they can't make a choice, thus they fall under the guidelines.



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16 Dec 2005, 8:39 pm

ascan wrote:
Sophist wrote:
ascan, you were discriminating against minorities. Can we give this a rest? You're never gonna be satisfied.

*done with this thread*

You can't show how what I said breached the guidelines. I've given you all ample opportunity.

I didn't breach the guidelines as far as racism is concerned. QED


You still personally attacked two members...So either way you look at you a warning was coming your way, and you received one...



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16 Dec 2005, 9:16 pm

Wow. This topic has lasted for over 88 posts, and yet some people can't get the message that this message board is not a democracy!

You people amaze me with your bullshit. Seriously.

EDIT: Now 89. :D