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No, not really, unless a planet is right on the edge of a sign, or the most important house boundaries are very close to sign boundaries, in which case would need to examine the chart to see which position is the right one; it would usually be obvious.

NB. I think that the best way to pronounce Aspergers is with a soft g as in purge, urge, surge, emerge, etc.
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Does anyone have any recollection of how autism was portrayed back between 2002-2004? I admit at the time I was not at all paying attention to anything since I have busy with a toddler and a newborn. I also went through some personal issues.. so my focus was not on autism (ironically enough because my son was a newborn and had no reason to look into it) and not so much on astrology at the time. The reason I am asking is because Saturn and Uranus were for the most part trining one another (Saturn being in Gemini and Cancer and Uranus being in Aquarius and Pisces). I would think that would have been the time where positive aspects of autism (and more awareness) were brought out. And perhaps would have opened up some new ways to help those under the spectrum to take advantage of their gifts and talents.. Perhaps this was the time where autism was starting to be seen in a new light (for the most part anyway). I know there are plenty of closed minded people out there and the stereotypes are still out there (sadly that won't change anytime soon even with more awareness out there).. but this could have been the time where generally people saw that those under the spectrum had gifts and as a result, early intervention programs may have gone through some improvements as well. My son was born in 2004 and has PDD-NOS, and this aspect could really work for him well!

Trying to keep an open mind, but when it comes down to the specifics...

I'm sure a few dozen other people were born in the same area where I was born, at about the same time. I have a hard time believing we'd have much in common.

What about the big cities, like New York and Hong Kong. How many people are born in those places every hour? Is it reasonable to think they'd all be similar?

I wish it was possible to look people up by birth time and place, to compare notes.

Ten minutes is enough to change an ascendant sign, ( for instance my ascendant is 1° Sagitarius; a few minutes later, [ or is it earlier? ], and I would have had a Scorpio Ascendant ), to significantly affect which houses the planets are in, and to alter the moon sign. That is more than enough to account for many differences.

Those born within ten minutes of each other in one place may well have more in common than those born in a city somewhere else, ( at the same time ), where the ascendant and positions of houses would be different.

But that is why I think with the computer processing capacities that now exist it would be worth someone doing a really big study.

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The trouble with treating Autism/AS/Aspergers as an entity with an astrological chart is that what was born in 1942 was not a person, but an idea/concept, and so the astrological progressions based on that date will indicate/reflect the "life" of that idea, rather than any actual autist/Asperger/AS population, ( because that has always existed ).

The idea has certainly had a very exciting life, born during the war years, almost lost for a few years, associated with schizophrenia for many more, before growing up and, in its late twenties splitting off all on its own, linked with nurture arguments to begin with, then with genetic ones, etc, and at intervals being divided up into smaller ones, almost as if it were reproducing ... ( is there a planet which might indicate fertility/family? )

So with the conjunctions, trines, oppositions, etc, what interpretation is actually appropriate? It isn't "us", the people "with" AS/Aspergers, that are being referred to, but the idea, the label, the notion.

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Physical experiments support non-locality. Google up on the failure of Bell's Inequalities.

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For instance, the fact that Virgo is very important in the natal chart of Autism, ( the idea ), may indicate rather the "geekiness" of such an approach, compartmentalising/dividing people up on that basis, ( the criteria of Kanners and/or Asperger ), and the fundamental "naivety"/clinical blindness of such an idea/concept.

That Saturn and Uranus are in conjunction at the birth of the idea might be a reflection of the Saturnian tendency to suppress and control, mixed with Uranian revolutionary power, involved in the concept itself rather than anything to do with what we, AS/Aspergers, are likely to be like, or with any experiences the AS population might have.

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on malefic and benefit planets.....the nature of time....and the canary's warning- canary [possibly dead canary] in the mineshaft indicating there isn't enough oxygen present to support life

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my somewhat unconventional view is that MALEFIC planets [including the nodes which operate like planets in their effects] while considered to cause misery, it doesn't have to be so. and that BENEFIC planets while being viewed as pleasure causers, and making life 'easy'...bleh.... planetary energies are all helpful and positive, we simply need to learn how to best utilize them. granted, some things in life are incredibly difficult, but successful resolution of those challenges may offer the greatest thrills life has to offer... as well as the greatest financial, spiritual and emotional rewards. not to mention 'character' building which is for the most part overrated.

we really really need All the planetry energies and to feel that some of them are bad or evil while others are good and helpful.......isn't a very pragmatic or reasonable assumption. the planetary forces work together, not in isolation. if it were possible to surgically remove one of them, everything would come to a grinding halt. well that's my take for what it's worth.

it is entirely possible [yet a little hard to accept] that the planets with the greatest energy [the nodes] are absolutely the most helpful - even if it Is analagous to sleeping with rattlesnakes. next in high frequency energies are the outer planets -uranus, neptune and pluto, followed by saturn and jupiter as the next most potent energies. i suggest there is a direct correlation between extent of usefulness and intensity of energy or degree of power.

it Takes more to Accomplish more. if you want to achieve your goals, you will most likely have to spin your nightmares and challenges into pure gold.

alchemy.


while it is completely open to speculation at this point........
i believe those of us on the spectrum have been neurologically fitted and forced to use the nodes' energies on a daily basis, especially those of Rahu. it may be built into our physiology to accommodate these energies like they were food to keep us alive. the general NT normal public, on the other hand, is only confronted with the nodes' energies in a crisis. and for the most part they [NTs] can avoid such encounters like the plague, which of course is what a normal person would want to do. we, however, may be unable to avoid such stresses and crises, hightened states of consciousness, unique perceptions and bizarre sensory experiences. hand flapping, head banging, fleeing to our cave of sanctuary.....just HOW is it possible to process the things we must endure. well, we're figuring out how to do it. please dear NTs be patient with us.

which goes a very very long way in explaining why we've been ostracized, bullied, and....avoided like the plague. nevertheless it behooves us to consider the possibility that the universe knows what it is doing and our purpose is to help 'seed' the coming earth changes and speed up the frequencies of planet earth just enough to enable certain necessary shifts midwifeing the age of aquarius to successful commencement on planet earth. 3 of 9. we can all atest to the fact that the labor is intense and excruciatingly painful. so maybe the universe has 'volunteered' us to be midwifes.

kind of like holding open the GATE

i don't know what a transformer is, but i've heard of step-down transformers. i wonder if there are also step-up transformers. do we exist in order to perform the functions of both step-up and step-down transformers, if there are such things.....just a thought....

nodal frequencies are extremely "my way or the highway" and not in an egoistic way because nodes blast egos to smitherines; rather in a "canary in the mineshaft" way. what a difference that makes in quality of life. one could make a case that for the autistic, the equivalent of several lifetimes worth of experiences are being crammed into one life. sort of like time dilation, or contraction....the one that makes time pass very slowly....

i once was on acid (lsd) and i could swear that it took several hours for the second hand on a clock to move one second. that's what autism is like much of the time, that is ordinary daily life, for many of us. we get used to it even if we don't like it.

I don't think it's correct to say that we use them, ( except in so far as they/the patterns formed by their predictable movements provide a powerful tool for self-analysis/meditation/connection with the world through astrology). They are like a picture of "us", parts of the same system, intimately connected with us, but on a different scale.

That's not such an unconventional attitude anymore; more and more astrologers, ( as tarot readers do increasingly with the cards ), are choosing to treat the planets, etc, as "neutral"/"natural" symbols, indicating/reflecting processes/factors which we are likely to find more or less difficult/easy to deal with depending on previous development/evolution/attitude.


Are the nodes really as important as that?

It took me years to realise just how crucial the outer planets were in the representation of things, perhaps because their longer cycles didn't make much sense to me when I was only 20.


I get that feeling, when I have managed to recover from overload long enough and deeply enough to notice how tiny things affect me immensely, ( which I have increasingly done in recent years, rather than seeking top-up stimulation to camouflage/disguise my state of burnout/overload as I used to do ).
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the exact time recorded on your birth certificate is the only reliable time. however i have used the time the mother remembers if it is somewhat precise. if the mother says the time of birth was quarter of ten in the morning...that's a lot better than saying the child was born around 10 am.

i've had people tell me they were born in the middle of the day and i say ---what does that mean? then they say they were born at noon. forget it. i'm not doing that chart.

in vedic astrology, which is the kind i do, an absolutely precise birth time is essential which means birth certificate only.

I only practice Western, know the basics of Vedic but definitely do not practice that. I want to learn more about it though. Unfortunately countries like Canada and the UK do not print birth time on certificates. The only way to help with that is to do a rectification. I also didn't think that Vedic astrologers used the 3 outer planets, is that true?

i was amplifying the meaning of the nodes in order to explain much of what is going on in autism. all for the purpose of putting our intense problems into the perspective they deserve so hopefully we can look at the situation with a bit of detachment and come up with a solution. for western astrology the nodes are insignificant with the north node [rahu] considered slightly benefic. way wrong in terms of vedic astrology.

go with what i quoted from Frawley prior to the page numbers. everything else is my personal opinion. when Frawley indicates that the energies are very difficult to handle, he means every word of it. admittedly it takes practice and uber skill to deal with these energies in a positive and productive fashion.

i'm becoming convinced that we need to look closely at any major relationships between saturn and uranus since they were conjunct @ 29 taurus 1942. conjunctions, oppositions, trines, squares, sextiles.

because of the way autism is perceived, we find ourselves in a predicament. in terms of how things got as bad as they are....any clues we discover could prove helpful in extricating ourselves from social disparagment, pity, intimidation, ostracizing and exile. i'd rather not even think about cure or extermination. but to deny we could be on the brink of extinction or annihilation is to engage in wishful thinking.

my pov is that people with autism should be considered as pioneers. here's what my book on zodiacal symbology says about 29 taurus (actually 29.17 taurus is read as 30 taurus):

"under the influence of the planet mars. a huge ironstone rolling down a mountain-side strikes a clump of hard flint, causing a bright fiery flash.....denotes a venturesome and determined spirit who will dare and do much to attain his ambitions. the earlier life will be filled with struggles and beset with difficulties which, as he advances in years, will enable him to gain the experience necessary to make his name known and his ideas respected. it is a symbol of forcefulness."

if there is any truth to that, people on the spectrum will eventually be appreciated, possibly even respected....

hmmm....all i can say is birth certificates or some other means of determining exact time of birth are quite important in the practice of astrology. next best is the mother's memory. but most mothers are too involved with labor and exhaustion to pay much attention to the time of birth.

regarding uranus, neptune and pluto --- most vedic astrologers don't use them.

Oh believe me I know, but I am also one of those exceptions that remembers the exact minute that my kids were born. A benefit of being under the spectrum I guess.

Saturn-Uranus Aspects Since 1942


1948 sextile 1 time
1951-52 square 3 times
1956-57 trine 4 times
1965-67 opposition 4 times Saturn-Pisces op Uranus-Virgo
1972-74 trine 3 times (almost 4)

**Oct 75 square in fixed signs leo scorpio, near exact for 2 weeks!! !**
1976-77 square 3 more times (total 4)

1979-80 sextile 3 times

1988 conjunction 3 times (sag. only conjunction since 1942)

1996-97 sextile 3 times
1999-00 square 3 times
2002-03 trine 3 times (1st time @full moon, pluto station retrogr)


Presently Saturn-Virgo op Uranus-Pisces
2008-09 opposition 3 times
11-4-08 @18.58
2-5-09 @20.39
9-15-09 @24.43