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 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 25 Oct 2021, 12:27 pm 

Replies: 211
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I don't recall a single instance of OP asking me to leave their thread in "The Haven". Every time it was some of your "mean clique" who started all the trouble by aggressive or dismissive remarks or reports or "implementation of the rules" no one asked for. Do you know...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 25 Oct 2021, 12:07 pm 

Replies: 211
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Well, I don't do CBT either. But fundamental principles which are foundation of mental health you say against mainstream psychology are part of it. Can you name these "fundamental principles which are foundation of mental health"? Hint: making a person uncomfortable to force them to chang...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 25 Oct 2021, 11:59 am 

Replies: 211
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Well, I don't do CBT either. But fundamental principles which are foundation of mental health you say against mainstream psychology are part of it. Can you name these "fundamental principles which are foundation of mental health"? Hint: making a person uncomfortable to force them to chang...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 25 Oct 2021, 11:53 am 

Replies: 211
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It does seem a little ironic that BR seems upset and the methodology at the beginning of the Topic isn't being used, and that a conversation about caring turns into a fight. As someone who doesn't get a lot of time to spend on here and doesn't have history with anyone I'm disappointed by how the co...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 25 Oct 2021, 11:48 am 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


I don't do CBT so I don't need to be trained on it. I believe those who wrote this are specialists on it. Challenging patient's beliefs happen in safe, structured settings and require patient's cooperation before they start. Well, I don't do CBT either. But fundamental principles which are foundati...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 25 Oct 2021, 11:18 am 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


magz wrote:
Are you a trained CBT therapist who knows correct implementation, strengths and limitations of this method?

Are you a trained CBT therapist who knows correct implementation, strengths and limitations of this method?

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 25 Oct 2021, 11:13 am 

Replies: 211
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Pushing your advice to a distressed person when they already rejected it is violating their boundaries, dismissing their feelings and victim blaming them for their unhappiness. That's harmful "adding insult to injury". The rules can't be changed nor bent to allow it. No, consistently chal...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 25 Oct 2021, 11:03 am 

Replies: 211
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Physical exercise is not the only thing needed to a person's mental well-being. It's not even the main thing. I never said that. Your claims for this approach go against mainstream psychology and experience of WP users who successfully healed their mental health issues. Thus, you would need extraor...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 25 Oct 2021, 10:45 am 

Replies: 211
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Fnord wrote:
Arguing with the moderators will always get you results ... just maybe not the results you wanted.

Disagreeing with injustice has a chance of positive changes. Obeying unjust orders you believe are morally wrong will get you results too, but ALWAYS not the results you wanted.

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 25 Oct 2021, 10:34 am 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


No, actually I was following this very framework before it was posted here, but was attacked for being repetitive.

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 25 Oct 2021, 10:29 am 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


There is also another kind of people who can't admit they are wrong... How can someone admit they are wrong without any reasoning for the alternative opinion? Explain me why I'm wrong and I will consider my point of view. Arguments like "If I throw you a fish will you leave?" are not enou...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 25 Oct 2021, 10:26 am 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


We were talking about how this framework should be implemented to promote long term helpful outcomes. What specific advise should be given and how limitations of "The Haven" rules stand in the way of helpful outcomes, making implementation of this framework kind of useless. Then magz showe...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 25 Oct 2021, 10:21 am 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


funeralxempire wrote:
How long did you expect me to put up with your belligerence before I chose to disengage and no longer take you seriously?


Honest answer? Usually I expect people to pretend they chose to disengage when they are unable to admit they are wrong.

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 25 Oct 2021, 10:08 am 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


The collective integrity of the moderators would be undermined by any instance wherein a single moderator rendered a decision based solely on the irrelevant opinions of one member. Provide reasoning why you think my points on the subject matter are wrong or leave me alone, please. I never said your...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 25 Oct 2021, 10:05 am 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


You're accusing me of abusing my position again. Because of this accusation, I asked other moderators for reviewing my decisions. Well, first of all, I have no evidence of any review happening, I have no reason to think there was any discussion, not just passing your judgement to another individual...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 25 Oct 2021, 9:53 am 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


The collective integrity of the moderators would be undermined by any instance wherein a single moderator rendered a decision based solely on the irrelevant opinions of one member. Provide reasoning why you think my points on the subject matter are wrong or leave me alone, please. I never said your...
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