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 Forum: News and Current Events   Topic: Oh god, Orange man creates his own social media....

Posted: 24 Oct 2021, 5:50 pm 

Replies: 231
Views: 3,491


Wow this is very disturbing, this is how you feel about people on the spectrum with low self esteem? Please, don't accuse me of the opposite of what I'm doing. I'm talking about the most disturbing side of extreme low self esteem and depression and how it can be toxic for other people. Otherwise it...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 24 Oct 2021, 5:34 pm 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


http://wondermark.com/c/2014-09-19-1062sea.png Your attempts at helping and their actual impacts on the person seeking emotional support are well-documented for their non-helpful outcomes and approach. All I'm asking is to explain what makes you believe rate of helpful outcomes of your approach wou...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 24 Oct 2021, 5:19 pm 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


Well, considering how you've mischaracterized how I engage with people of course you'd reach that conclusion but I'm tired of engaging with your self-serving antagonism. It's not up to me to train you to be less of a churlish prick towards people when you attempt to help them and if you're not able...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 24 Oct 2021, 5:05 pm 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


Well, considering how you've mischaracterized how I engage with people of course you'd reach that conclusion but I'm tired of engaging with your self-serving antagonism. It's not up to me to train you to be less of a churlish prick towards people when you attempt to help them and if you're not able...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 24 Oct 2021, 4:15 pm 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


I think you're again reducing things to oversimplifications in order to make things more favourable for the position you're espousing and then arguing as though that reflects reality. Yes, this is obviously hypothetical oversimplified model. But reasoning derived from brute facts. I don't really se...

 Forum: News and Current Events   Topic: Oh god, Orange man creates his own social media....

Posted: 24 Oct 2021, 4:06 pm 

Replies: 231
Views: 3,491


Haha, I've just learned this "social network" is just a mastodon node. I wonder if they would be standalone or become part of fediverse, etc. The whole thing feels like money laundering scheme or something.

 Forum: News and Current Events   Topic: Oh god, Orange man creates his own social media....

Posted: 24 Oct 2021, 3:58 pm 

Replies: 231
Views: 3,491


He disclosed the fact this communication had place when she was talking to another person. It is up to her if she wants other to know she was talking to site administration accusing another user. . But how is that damaging? What kind of question is this? How any violation of the rules is damaging? ...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 24 Oct 2021, 3:28 pm 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


I disengage if what I'm offering isn't helpful or applicable. Considering 100% of depressed people would refuse to change their false belief you would disengage every time? Is that right? OK, let's imagine you and I are talking to 100 depressed people. You are talking to 50 and I'm talking to 50. Y...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 24 Oct 2021, 2:54 pm 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


That doesn't work for everyone and you've had more than one person explain this to you based on their own personal experiences so saying that's an oversimplification that won't help everyone isn't telling you to stop trying to help, it's telling you to consider options beyond the one you're fixated...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 24 Oct 2021, 2:33 pm 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


You should probably still acknowledge their emotions and take care of that aspect initially to avoid coming off as uncaring and just there to deliver over-simplified solutions that don't actually address the problem. If one already has good rapport with OP that would be a good reason to skip or red...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 24 Oct 2021, 2:16 pm 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


You should probably still acknowledge their emotions and take care of that aspect initially to avoid coming off as uncaring and just there to deliver over-simplified solutions that don't actually address the problem. If one already has good rapport with OP that would be a good reason to skip or red...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 24 Oct 2021, 2:09 pm 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


You should probably still acknowledge their emotions and take care of that aspect initially to avoid coming off as uncaring and just there to deliver over-simplified solutions that don't actually address the problem. If one already has good rapport with OP that would be a good reason to skip or red...

 Forum: The Haven   Topic: Framework for Care of Upset Person

Posted: 24 Oct 2021, 1:42 pm 

Replies: 211
Views: 2,173


Framework for Care of Upset Person : Upset states are, in the vast majority of cases, less about specific solutions than they are about emotional experience, like you somewhat mentioned already. In order to keep from escalating them, or making people feel more upset and/or rejected, it needs to be ...

 Forum: News and Current Events   Topic: Oh god, Orange man creates his own social media....

Posted: 24 Oct 2021, 11:41 am 

Replies: 231
Views: 3,491


Your attempts at helping and their actual impacts on the person seeking emotional support are well-documented for their non-helpful outcomes and approach. You have no idea about helpful outcomes. This is survivorship bias. People who accept my advise and recover often just stop visiting platform, m...

 Forum: News and Current Events   Topic: Oh god, Orange man creates his own social media....

Posted: 24 Oct 2021, 11:11 am 

Replies: 231
Views: 3,491


I'm not sure the posters being called out are actual trolls so much as legit posters who don't accept the 'convincing logical reasoning' being used to antagonize them while they're already upset. You are trying to antagonize me again for no reason. I do not antagonize people for not accepting my ad...

 Forum: News and Current Events   Topic: Oh god, Orange man creates his own social media....

Posted: 24 Oct 2021, 10:57 am 

Replies: 231
Views: 3,491


Badrobot, if you are seeing such posts report them and explain why you feel that this could be an intentionally harmful to other members. People who post things like this are not normally very bright; when an account goes for approval the mods should be able to see the location and any sock puppet ...
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