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24 Mar 2010, 4:16 pm

As this video demonstrates, It is within the realm of our reach that we can synthesize artificial life. By extension of this claim, it seems reasonable that we can make artificial intelligence. Its a good example of how complicated things are built up with discrete steps.

I thought Scientist would particularly enjoy this.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b694exl_oZo[/youtube]


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24 Mar 2010, 5:26 pm

Yes this is interesting.
I've known about AI and mechanical creatures for a very long time.
Does anyone know what a FURBY is?
(Go backward in time a few years!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furby
Wow, 1998!
Thanks, Microsoft, for 2 decades of Millenial-Medieval-Retro-Mediocrity!
(And everyone else who devolved humanity back off of the Moon!)

Bill Gates may be able to infect them with viruses but ARE THEY REALLY ALIVE?

Can we also "evolve" them from "soup"? :lol:

Given a TIME MACHINE, we can create ... UM ... are these even ANIMALS?



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24 Mar 2010, 6:19 pm

Laughable. Wind-driven beach-crawling automatons are not animals. Do they reproduce? Do they have a heritable genetic code?

Craig Venter has been working for years and years, and he has yet to create an artificial bacterium, even when plagiarizing large chunks of the genome from existing species. We are a very long way off from synthetic animals.


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24 Mar 2010, 7:01 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
As this video demonstrates, It is within the realm of our reach that we can synthesize artificial life. By extension of this claim, it seems reasonable that we can make artificial intelligence. Its a good example of how complicated things are built up with discrete steps.

I thought Scientist would particularly enjoy this.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b694exl_oZo[/youtube]


At the rate we are going we could probably create animals from elements in about three to four billion years.

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24 Mar 2010, 7:56 pm

Orwell, nobody without a colorful imagination is saying those are creatures, but rather that our engineering is advanced enough to rearrange an existing creature and that given time, we can assemble the components to make something new.

Think of the cranial modification of the natives of America, http://hackingthefuture.blogspot.com/20 ... ation.html chinese foot binding http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_binding , as well as the domestication of the arctic silver fox.

These were all very primitive things(and some very horrible), but in modern(and ethical) science they are implanting bud cells to grow teeth in chickens, feathering their legs... and they kill them before they develop very far. Chimera is a fact. What of the circuitry that is controlled by rat neural cells?

So would an entrained and constrained growth cause a creature to develop differently neurally? This is already known to be yes.

ruveyn says we cant have AI because we lack an algorithm, but I say we dont really need one.


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24 Mar 2010, 8:42 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
As this video demonstrates, It is within the realm of our reach that we can synthesize artificial life. By extension of this claim, it seems reasonable that we can make artificial intelligence. Its a good example of how complicated things are built up with discrete steps.



We are nowhere near nature in complexity of replicating structures. It is not a contest. Coming up with mechanical or electronic replicators is a cartoon of biological replication, not a first step.

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24 Mar 2010, 11:17 pm

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ruveyn says we cant have AI because we lack an algorithm, but I say we dont really need one.

WE HAVE AI. I HAVE AI. YOU HAVE AI. AI IS EVERYWHERE.
AI is in the enemies of your video games.

Also. ANN is Artificial Neural Network. I made one once.
Don't worry, unless QM is both deterministic and conscious,
electronic brains will never feel or care about what they do,
nor say truthfully "We think therefore we are".



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25 Mar 2010, 2:25 am

Fuzzy wrote:
I thought Scientist would particularly enjoy this.
Cool stuff indeed.
And it's Dutch :)
Quite artistic too, I think.

Thanks for posting this, Fuzzy.


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25 Mar 2010, 2:34 am

Fuzzy wrote:
Orwell, nobody without a colorful imagination is saying those are creatures, but rather that our engineering is advanced enough to rearrange an existing creature and that given time, we can assemble the components to make something new.

They're not even doing that here, they're just making knick knacks.

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So would an entrained and constrained growth cause a creature to develop differently neurally? This is already known to be yes.

But this bears almost no resemblance to actually creating life. That is still well beyond our capabilities. It is unlikely that we will be able to write a genome for our own creations. It would be like directly writing Java bytecode (not source) for a very large, complex program when we don't even understand how to use arrays, "for" loops, or any other important aspect of programming. And even that comparison grossly understates the magnitude of the difficulty.


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