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22 Jun 2011, 4:42 am

Are there any practical ways to improve one's number sense, especially if one

  • Has a poor spatial working memory.
  • Has stronger verbal than performance intelligence.


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22 Jun 2011, 8:51 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
Are there any practical ways to improve one's number sense, especially if one

  • Has a poor spatial working memory.
  • Has stronger verbal than performance intelligence.


?


Do puzzles. Do exercises in math text books. Do numerical puzzles. Do geometric puzzles. Practice makes perfect.

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22 Jun 2011, 12:53 pm

Moog recently posted a link to some software designed to exercise one's working memory. That may help somewhat. Puzzles are also a good idea. Spend some time playing with Legos.


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22 Jun 2011, 1:41 pm

Programming. Complex tasks require to to be able to recall the entire program of the top of your head, and to have a strong spatial sense of how you are going to organise and manipulate your data. Some tasks, like composing matrices upon each other, modular arithmetic on matrices, and storing your data in unusual matrices (I like matrices :P) need strong spatial visualisation. I never enjoyed puzzles, because they don't do anything. I find it more fun to use maths to approach real problems, which makes it easier to get the "intuition" than using math in a vacuum.

All this coming from someone with a higher verbal than performance intelligence, and subaverage spatial working memory (improving, though).


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22 Jun 2011, 2:47 pm

Play 3D video games. Particulary 3D platfomers.


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22 Jun 2011, 5:01 pm

I program for 8 hours a day and my working memory is still terrible.

I find that stimulant drugs are by far the most effective treatment for this problem.



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22 Jun 2011, 5:12 pm

I found practicing complementary numbers helpful. I know that's a bit basic for most, but it helped me.



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22 Jun 2011, 6:14 pm

ryan93 wrote:
Programming. Complex tasks require to to be able to recall the entire program of the top of your head, and to have a strong spatial sense of how you are going to organise and manipulate your data.
It's curious - I have no problem with this and can easily visualise what every part is doing, the relationships with other parts etc. The whole thing "lives and moves", fully functional, in my head and I can examine or change various parts of this mental model easily - yet my numeric ability has always been appalling.


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22 Jun 2011, 8:33 pm

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I find that stimulant drugs are by far the most effective treatment for this problem.

Do you mean caffeine or something stronger?


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23 Jun 2011, 12:26 am

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It's curious - I have no problem with this and can easily visualise what every part is doing, the relationships with other parts etc. The whole thing "lives and moves", fully functional, in my head and I can examine or change various parts of this mental model easily - yet my numeric ability has always been appalling.


mental maths isn't that important, so long as you can do maths on a pc. one of the better hint I saw lately was:

7 * 114 = (7 * 100) + (7 * 10) + (7 * 4)

= 700 + 70 + 28
= 798


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24 Jun 2011, 11:19 pm

Orwell wrote:
mcg wrote:
I find that stimulant drugs are by far the most effective treatment for this problem.

Do you mean caffeine or something stronger?
I'm on Concerta (extended release methylphenidate), but I think Caffeine does help to some degree.



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25 Jun 2011, 1:43 am

mcg wrote:
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mcg wrote:
I find that stimulant drugs are by far the most effective treatment for this problem.

Do you mean caffeine or something stronger?
I'm on Concerta (extended release methylphenidate), but I think Caffeine does help to some degree.

That's prescription though. Not all people are eligible to receive prescription stimulants, and I would be extremely wary of using any stimulant stronger than caffeine without a physician's approval and monitoring.

Caffeine has actually never done anything for me. It's weird; I never built up a tolerance for it (I don't even drink soda, so my usual caffeine intake is basically nil) but two cups of coffee when I drink them have no discernible effect on me.


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25 Jun 2011, 4:46 pm

Orwell wrote:
mcg wrote:
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mcg wrote:
I find that stimulant drugs are by far the most effective treatment for this problem.

Do you mean caffeine or something stronger?
I'm on Concerta (extended release methylphenidate), but I think Caffeine does help to some degree.

That's prescription though. Not all people are eligible to receive prescription stimulants, and I would be extremely wary of using any stimulant stronger than caffeine without a physician's approval and monitoring.
True. Stimulants are not for everyone, but for people who are significantly impaired by working memory deficits (as I suspect many aspies are), the benefits of stimulant therapy can be well worth the risks. I for one can simply not succeed in school or work without them. For some of you, it could be worth at least discussing with your doctor.

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Caffeine has actually never done anything for me. It's weird; I never built up a tolerance for it (I don't even drink soda, so my usual caffeine intake is basically nil) but two cups of coffee when I drink them have no discernible effect on me.
That is weird. Two cups of coffee gives me a really uncomfortable feeling (if I drink them within a few hours). I have never really experienced discernible positive effects from Caffeine. It may have something to do with the fact that I have been taking DNRIs for years, so I have a tolerance to the increased dopamine levels that Caffeine somehow induces. Caffeine is all negative effects for me, but there is data to suggest that it improves memory function in most people.



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26 Jun 2011, 7:48 am

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Caffeine is all negative effects for me, but there is data to suggest that it improves memory function in most people.


The night before my finals I would drink two litres of diet coke (the caffeine equivalent of a litre of Red Bull). I was able to study for sixteen hours straight, with perfect retention; anything I looked at, I would know the next morning. I felt like I had a hangover afterwards though :lol:


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26 Jun 2011, 3:10 pm

Orwell wrote:
Caffeine is all negative effects for me, but there is data to suggest that it improves memory function in most people.


Improves short-term memory, the studies said back when I cared. Which is enough around exam time, but not a life time.



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27 Jun 2011, 1:54 am

By "number sense" do you mean being able to do math in your head?
Or do you mean sensing how things compare to each other?
Or both? Or what?