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03 Sep 2012, 6:52 pm

So I just softmodded my PS2 with the game swap trick(007 AUF) and installed FreeMcBoot. I am using ESR to play burnt games. I went and bought 50 blank Verbatim DVD's for $20 and downloaded a crap load of games and burnt them. I never have to pay for a game again. The concept is awesome and the thought of knowing this is great!

Anyone else have any modded consoles? XBOX? WII(bannerbomb, letterbomb, etc)?



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03 Sep 2012, 7:23 pm

you know its illegal to do that

and its the mods job to pass your ip address to police



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04 Sep 2012, 6:36 am

Seems it's legal in the USA at least and in any case, moderators are under no obligations of any sort to report to anyone what members do with their own property.
We're not some sort of police force! 8O


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04 Sep 2012, 9:14 am

Cornflake wrote:
Seems it's legal in the USA at least and in any case, moderators are under no obligations of any sort to report to anyone what members do with their own property.
We're not some sort of police force! 8O


Exactly, when you purchase some hardware you should have the right to do as you please with it. I think its ridiculous there are laws in place that tell you what to do with your own purchased hardware. Like the R4 cards for the DS being banned in the UK. I have a "friend" :wink: that uses one for the legit purpose of having the games they own on one card as well as playing expensive titles that are no longer in production, therefore the developers themselves can no longer make money from the games. So its quite alright in my book, especially last gen like the PS2 were you actually can't buy the games new anymore.



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04 Sep 2012, 11:00 am

Cornflake wrote:
Seems it's legal in the USA at least and in any case, moderators are under no obligations of any sort to report to anyone what members do with their own property.


Some websites even ban people for wanting to talk about how to hack their DVD/BD players in order to play different region DVDs/BDs! 8O



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04 Sep 2012, 11:14 am

Heh - possibly because that's already very well explained on the web at large or on forums dedicated to it.

I idly wondered if a portable DVD player I bought a while ago could be made to play disks from other regions and a casual Google search quickly revealed that pressing certain keys as it was powered on added a couple of extra options to the menu - one of which was to disable region checking. Permanently.
When a bypass is built-in by the manufacturer you know country codes are a waste of time. :lol:


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04 Sep 2012, 11:24 am

[sarcasm]
I love how this site is so friendly and full of love!
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Instead of some saying like, "Hey man, you should take this down. You could get in trouble.", I get some little kid saying I should be reported and some other person talking about banning.

This site is awesome! <more sarcasm> Thank goodness for the awesome mods(cornflake)! That was genuine and was not sarcasm.

Am I wrong cornflake? If so can you just please remove the post?! Thanks!

I fail to see how this place is different than any other. Its supposed to be filled with people who understand. Full of peace and love... or so I thought.



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04 Sep 2012, 12:05 pm

Cornflake wrote:
When a bypass is built-in by the manufacturer you know country codes are a waste of time. :lol:


It's not quite that way on a PC or Mac though - most DVD drives will only change region a set number of times. You have to install firmware for the drive to turn the region coding off, which is risky. Even after you do that, the DVD software will still kick in and perform region checks (unless you use VLC) so you have to disable that too.

Having said that, it's very, very easy to buy an external DVD drive that you can modify yourself to play all region DVDs with just a quick download of a utility and a couple of clicks. I hacked mine at the local library. The DVD drive was just over £20 and the software was free. Combine that with the free VLC and you've cracked it.



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04 Sep 2012, 12:59 pm

The relevant part of the rules state (bolded):

WP rules wrote:
3. Other inappropriate content and behavior prohibited on Wrong Planet:
This includes copyrighted material, serial codes, and posts made to promote a website, group or product, particularly if made repeatedly and without other participation in the WP community (spamming). This also includes discussion of locked topics, discussion of banned members and why they were banned and anything else that purposely causes conflict with other members.

I read that as saying it's fine to talk about PS2 mods, exchange stories, compare games (ripped off or otherwise), discuss compatibility issues etc - but not Ok to post links to things like free copies of Photoshop etc or links promoting code or methods of hacking it (or other copyrighted programs) - because that form of copyright protection bypass is illegal, period. It is not country-dependent.

I've been told in the past that WP is effectively governed by American legislation relating to the freedom of speech and therefore discussion of this specific softmodding topic is permissible because it is permissible in the USA.

Where I would draw a line is if posts drifted off into a promotion of hacking (in the generally accepted "legally questionable" meaning) of any sort or asking for detailed instructions on hacking, all of which are better answered elsewhere and avoid the possibility of WP becoming involved in potential legal issues
WP is first and foremost a social and support forum for people with various forms of Autism and related conditions - it's not a technical forum, nor a chemistry forum, nor a gardening forum etc.
All of these things and many more are very much better dealt with in detail off WP.


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04 Sep 2012, 1:00 pm

Tequila wrote:
It's not quite that way on a PC or Mac though - most DVD drives will only change region a set number of times. You have to install firmware for the drive to turn the region coding off, which is risky. Even after you do that, the DVD software will still kick in and perform region checks (unless you use VLC) so you have to disable that too.
Ah, I've never used any form of commercial DVD player software which plays that game - it's only ever been VLC or a few other Linux-based players.
The details fade - IIRC one form of DVD firmware remained region-free unless tweaked otherwise. I think it's more restrictive with modern stuff but it's long been cracked - on Linux, anyway, and even with region-locked drives. :wink: [Edit: and Windows - see VLC]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Sc ... ptanalysis
I think it was the work done on this which allowed the more familiar libdvdcss to be written - with the same end result: once in place the whole system is region-free.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss

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Having said that, it's very, very easy to buy an external DVD drive that you can modify yourself to play all region DVDs with just a quick download of a utility and a couple of clicks. I hacked mine at the local library. The DVD drive was just over £20 and the software was free. Combine that with the free VLC and you've cracked it.
Yeah exactly, it's quite a laughable situation really. Many years ago I bought an expensive Sony player and although it required re-chipping (for all of £20) to be region free, that "upgrade" was advertised right next to the drive along with cables and other odds-n-sods.


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04 Sep 2012, 1:02 pm

BDs are a little more complex, I believe, but we're getting there. The copy protection is by far the biggest nuisance on BDs, so I'm told.



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04 Sep 2012, 1:10 pm

Yep - that adds a whole new layer of complexity, but it's only a matter of time...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... ent_System


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04 Sep 2012, 1:13 pm

Cornflake wrote:
Yep - that adds a whole new layer of complexity, but it's only a matter of time...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... ent_System


The most offensive thing about it is that, in many cases, it's actually far easier to download a pirated copy of the 1080p version of the BD than to actually purchase the disk and watch it yourself (and suffer the massively irritating, unskippable and offensive piracy warnings and trailers)! Given that legitimate customers are actually constantly being penalised for buying the genuine article, I'm surprised the DVD/BD distributors aren't suffering more than they are.



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06 Sep 2012, 10:14 am

amboxer, i'm not sure if you're aware, but this is actually a forum for people with aspergers, you know, a condition characterised by difficulties with cognitive empathy. so if you're looking for a place where people have the natural inclination to avoid ever causing you offense, then i'm afraid this forum isn't it.

if you want people to accept you for you, aspergers and all, then you need to accept other people for who they are, aspergers and all. and that means not taking offense at aspies being aspies. i know that will be hard for you, to break what seems to be an entrenched habit of taking offence, so maybe you need a friend in private instead of a public forum full of strangers to help you through it.



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06 Sep 2012, 10:40 am

What? Go somehwere else with your speech and lecture! I made a perfectly fine post in the proper section and this kid is talking about reporting me to the police. How am I not supposed to be offended? And on top of that, there's you being annoying. Kick rocks!

I can't help but feel like I'm being targeted! Why not tell that guy to chill. That I did nothing wrong. He didn't need to come on here talking about the police. I bet if this was anyone else, this wouldn't of happened!

Everyone needs to hop off my nuts!



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06 Sep 2012, 10:53 am

how are you supposed to not be offended?

step 2 - ignore stuff that offends you.

step 1 - stay away from public forums for a little while, talk to a close friend in private instead, until you are in a position to come back to public forums and follow step 2.