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10 Apr 2013, 3:38 pm

I scratch my head about little details, like how we're talking about something like this in 2013 as a new awareness. What exactly do meteorologists do all day?

http://weather.yahoo.com/dark-lightning ... 27432.html



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10 Apr 2013, 4:43 pm

"Dark Lightning" is gamma radiation produced by high-energy electrons colliding with molecules in the air. This is normal physics.

Ordinary lighting is visible light produced by slower-moving electrons colliding with molecules in the air. This is also normal physics.

Gamma radiation is extremely short-wavelength light. Again, normal physics.

How soon before the woo-woos grab this as "evidence" that paranormal "Dark Forces" exist?

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10 Apr 2013, 5:46 pm

What about "white lightning"?

"the biggest thrill of all" according to Merle Haggard!



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10 Apr 2013, 5:47 pm

Fnord wrote:
"Dark Lightning" is gamma radiation produced by high-energy electrons colliding with molecules in the air. This is normal physics.

You missed the point of my comment. We've been flying through this stuff and sending up weather balloons for close to a century. Seems kind of pathetic that we're just now getting a handle on it.



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10 Apr 2013, 5:54 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
What about "white lightning"?

"the biggest thrill of all" according to Merle Haggard!

Someone got the reference. :lol:



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10 Apr 2013, 7:04 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Fnord wrote:
"Dark Lightning" is gamma radiation produced by high-energy electrons colliding with molecules in the air. This is normal physics.
You missed the point of my comment. We've been flying through this stuff and sending up weather balloons for close to a century. Seems kind of pathetic that we're just now getting a handle on it.

It's been known for a few decades that "cosmic" radiation has been associated with high-energy lightning bursts, but the causal connection was assumed to be the other way around (e.g., gamma rays / cosmic rays triggered the lightning discharge after a build-up of the static charge). It wasn't until satellites began to take gamma-ray imagery of the Earth that the mechanism became fully understood, but that technology hasn't even been available until recently.

But apparently, in 1961, Stan Lee of Marvel Comics knew something no one else apparently did...

Wikipedia wrote:
The Fantastic Four is formed when during an outer space test flight in an experimental rocket ship, the four protagonists are bombarded by a storm of cosmic rays ... Upon crash landing back on Earth, the four astronauts find themselves transformed with bizarre new abilities.

8O



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10 Apr 2013, 7:23 pm

Fnord wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Fnord wrote:
"Dark Lightning" is gamma radiation produced by high-energy electrons colliding with molecules in the air. This is normal physics.
You missed the point of my comment. We've been flying through this stuff and sending up weather balloons for close to a century. Seems kind of pathetic that we're just now getting a handle on it.

It's been known for a few decades that "cosmic" radiation has been associated with high-energy lightning bursts, but the causal connection was assumed to be the other way around (e.g., gamma rays / cosmic rays triggered the lightning discharge after a build-up of the static charge). It wasn't until satellites began to take gamma-ray imagery of the Earth that the mechanism became fully understood, but that technology hasn't even been available until recently.
Interesting.

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But apparently, in 1961, Stan Lee of Marvel Comics knew something no one else apparently did...

Wikipedia wrote:
The Fantastic Four is formed when during an outer space test flight in an experimental rocket ship, the four protagonists are bombarded by a storm of cosmic rays ... Upon crash landing back on Earth, the four astronauts find themselves transformed with bizarre new abilities.

8O

You think so? I haven't read enough Stan Lee myself.



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10 Apr 2013, 7:40 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Fnord wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Fnord wrote:
"Dark Lightning" is gamma radiation produced by high-energy electrons colliding with molecules in the air. This is normal physics.
You missed the point of my comment. We've been flying through this stuff and sending up weather balloons for close to a century. Seems kind of pathetic that we're just now getting a handle on it.
It's been known for a few decades that "cosmic" radiation has been associated with high-energy lightning bursts, but the causal connection was assumed to be the other way around (e.g., gamma rays / cosmic rays triggered the lightning discharge after a build-up of the static charge). It wasn't until satellites began to take gamma-ray imagery of the Earth that the mechanism became fully understood, but that technology hasn't even been available until recently.
Interesting.

That's how it goes with science - self-correction is part of the process, and someone's pet "theories" often get shot down in flames, only to be replaced by another "theory" when more facts are brought to light.

For the woo-woo crowd, however, the more experimental evidence to support contrary "theories", the more tightly they hold on to their speculations as truth.

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Fnord wrote:
But apparently, in 1961, Stan Lee of Marvel Comics knew something no one else apparently did...
Wikipedia wrote:
The Fantastic Four is formed when during an outer space test flight in an experimental rocket ship, the four protagonists are bombarded by a storm of cosmic rays ... Upon crash landing back on Earth, the four astronauts find themselves transformed with bizarre new abilities.
8O
You think so? I haven't read enough Stan Lee myself.

I'm joking about Stan Lee. Back in the 1950s, various kinds of radiation were used to explain the origins of all kinds of fictional monsters and mutants, from Godzilla/Gojira, to the Incredible Shrinking Man, to the Fantastic Four.



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10 Apr 2013, 7:44 pm

Fnord wrote:
I'm joking about Stan Lee. Back in the 1950s, various kinds of radiation were used to explain the origins of all kinds of fictional monsters and mutants, from Godzilla/Gojira, to the Incredible Shrinking Man, to the Fantastic Four.

Sounds way more interesting than what we have today. These days I can't quite tell but the genesis of monsters and villains seems to have something to do with Sam Raimi's 73' Olds.



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10 Apr 2013, 9:46 pm

Secondary and Tertiary cosmic radiation also affects the formation of clouds. That is how cosmic rays are one of the drivers for climate.

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