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31 Oct 2019, 12:18 pm

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Mars will be a very dangerous place to live when and if they do start settling there for the following reasons

1. The atmosphere has been stripped away
2. It has no solid magnetic field
3. The levels of UV rays are very high

They are also talking about Europa as a possible option which I don't quite understand because
1. There is no atmosphere with no oxygen
2. The moon is made out of ice
3. The seasons there are very long - 7 years each


I do believe there are earthlike planets that are habitable with the right features
1. You have to have a cooler star, like the sun within the habitable zone
2. You need an atmosphere with greenhouse gases
3. Oxygen
4. Water
5. Seismic activity and a magnetic activity
6. Erosion

There probably are other earthlike planets. But they are all in other solar systems. We cant get to them in our lifetime.



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31 Oct 2019, 12:32 pm

Unless we can, somehow, get to Warp 1 :D



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31 Oct 2019, 1:02 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Unless we can, somehow, get to Warp 1 :D

According to the current state of art physics: Nope :(


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31 Oct 2019, 1:09 pm

Check out Habitable Planets for Man by Asimov and Dole. It was published in 1964, but the science is still valid.


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31 Oct 2019, 1:40 pm

What if humans originally came from Mars and we destroyed our mother planet through war and depleting its resources and somehow we colonized Earth, only to repeat the same mistake on Earth that we did on Mars because we forget where we came from?

:star: :chin: :alien:

Like in that Twilight Zone episode "Third Planet From the Sun"



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31 Oct 2019, 1:46 pm

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What if humans originally came from Mars and we destroyed our mother planet through war and depleting its resources and somehow we colonized Earth, only to repeat the same mistake on Earth that we did on Mars because we forget where we came from?

:star: :chin: :alien:

Like in that Twilight Zone episode "Third Planet From the Sun"

Existing evidence indicates very strongly that humans evolved on Earth.
But it could be a nice theme for a movie.


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31 Oct 2019, 1:51 pm

Many flakes on U tube suggest that.

But its clear to me that we evolved here on the earth. Mammals are here, primates are here, and all of our closest evolutionary cousins like the African apes are all here on earth. So we must have evolved here on earth.

However...if you push the calender back further...wayyyy further. then something like what you're saying is actually plausible.

Billions of years ago life, in the form of microbial bacteria, may have appeared on Mars when earth was still uninhabitable , back in the infancy of the solar system.

At some point a martian volcano, or a meteor strike on mars, sent a boulder with Martian bacteria into space, and it might have landed here on earth at the right moment in geological time to seed the earth with these Martian microbian invaders. Life then took hold proliferated and diversified on earth. At the same time conditions went crappy on mars. Life dies out on mars while bacteria become, first eukariots (like paramecium), and then become multicellular plants and animals (like sponges, dinos, and humans).

So It actually cant be ruled out that life itself could have started on mars, spread to earth, and then died out on Mars. But that was billions of years before anything resembling even a jellyfish evolved, much less man ever evolved, much less any humanlike civilization existed.



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31 Oct 2019, 2:02 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Many flakes on U tube suggest that.

But its clear to me that we evolved here on the earth. Mammals are here, primates are here, and all of our closest evolutionary cousins like the African apes are all here on earth. So we must have evolved here on earth.

However...if you push the calender back further...wayyyy further. then something like what you're saying is actually plausible.

Billions of years ago life, in the form of microbial bacteria, may have appeared on Mars when earth was still uninhabitable , back in the infancy of the solar system.

At some point a martian volcano, or a meteor strike on mars, sent a boulder with Martian bacteria into space, and it might have landed here on earth at the right moment in geological time to seed the earth with these Martian microbian invaders. Life then took hold proliferated and diversified on earth. At the same time conditions went crappy on mars. Life dies out on mars while bacteria become, first prokariots (like paramecium), and then become multicellular plants and animals (like sponges, dinos, and humans).

So It actually cant be ruled out that life itself could have started on mars, spread to earth, and then died out on Mars. But that was billions of years before anything resembling even a jellyfish evolved, much less man ever evolved, much less any humanlike civilization existed.


Maybe when earth is destroyed our bacteria will travel through space to recreate more life on other planets? :alien:

That's somewhat comforting actually... life lives on through microscopic organisms. :D



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31 Oct 2019, 2:20 pm

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That's somewhat comforting actually... life lives on through microscopic organisms. :D

The record of past great extinctions confirms that.
And yes, I find is comforting, too.


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01 Nov 2019, 6:40 am

Stumbled upon this video that relates to the subject of the original post. A pretty good overview.



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10 Nov 2019, 12:52 pm

Don't get too excited. We can colonise Mars in the same way we colonised Antarctica, by which I mean a few hundred researchers dependant on outside supplies. So don't expect millions of people living there.


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For all of the money we are spending, NASA should NOT be talking about going to the Moon - We did that 50 years ago. They should be focused on the much bigger things we are doing, including Mars (of which the Moon is a part), Defense and Science!



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25 Dec 2019, 5:07 am

jordanalmokdad wrote:
we should be sorting our sh*t out on planet earth before even considering starting a population on another planet.


Why? So, Earth must be a utopia first before we do anything else? If we stuck to that logic we'd all still be living in caves.