Star Wars III : The Revenge of the Sith

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30 May 2005, 1:40 am

I think I understand what your saying. It still is somewhat of a "chicken or the egg" matter; did the prophecy make him do it, or did he see the prophecy because he was going to do it? It's impossible to say.



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30 May 2005, 2:22 am

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Yes, I know. You are correct. But I don't think you understand my previous posts, and I don't know how to make it any clearer. Does anyone else understand? If not, I'll try to think of a better way of putting it.

What you are saying is that the force made it his destiny to fall to thne dark side and that's why the force gave him those visions.

You also said I'm right. In order to be right, I would have to understand your argument and successfully counter it by exposing shortcomings in it and propose one that is more refined. Therefore I can reasonably assume (and I'm not bagging) that conceding defeat is a new concept to you.



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30 May 2005, 6:13 am

The one question I have about the 3rd movie is the prophecy is not clarified. Is the prophecy about Anakin or Luke? Sure, only Anakin was directly born by the force, but as son of Anakin, Luke could lay some claim to it, also. I cannot remember, does the prophecy say BY the force, or OF the force?
"The prophecy, mistaken might have been." -Yoda

Was the prophecy truly about Anakin? Or was it mistaken, in that Anakin would help unbalance it further. Mace Windu was on the verge of killing Palpatine, when Anakin stopped him. So was Anakin really necessary?Was his killing of the Emperor the fulfillment of the prophecy? Or was Luke's creation of a new brand of Jedi considered the new balance? Just what was the balancing of the force?



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30 May 2005, 12:15 pm

The prophecy is that one born OF the force, which could mean anyone of annie's leniage would bring balance to the force.


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30 May 2005, 1:44 pm

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You also said I'm right. In order to be right, I would have to understand your argument and successfully counter it by exposing shortcomings in it and propose one that is more refined.


You said that Anakin exemplified the Sith Code halfway through Episode II. That is what I was agreeing with. Anakin sought Palpatine's help by his own free will.

Here is when the point I am trying to make comes into the picture. But then why did go to Palpatine for help? The dreams. If Anakin was not afraid of what he saw, would he have gone to Palpatine for the power to keep Padme from dying? If he had not gone to Palpatine would he have joined the Dark Side? He might've eventually, but not then. Let's say he wouldn't have. Would Padme die? No. Therefore, his own actions led to her death when he originally thought he was protecting her.

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Therefore I can reasonably assume (and I'm not bagging) that conceding defeat is a new concept to you.


Sorry, my friend, but you are mistakened. As I noted above, some of your points were correct, but not your argument in its entirety.

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I think I understand what your saying. It still is somewhat of a "chicken or the egg" matter; did the prophecy make him do it, or did he see the prophecy because he was going to do it? It's impossible to say.


Yes that is exactly what I am saying.

I loved this prophecy stuff. I think it's fascinating.



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31 May 2005, 11:21 pm

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I loved this prophecy stuff. I think it's fascinating.

Hopefully George Lucas will elaborate on it in a future game or the planned TV series.



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01 Jun 2005, 9:15 pm

I saw the movie and think they should have explained General Grievious's (spelling is wrong, don't care) backstory. All they say is "Kill him, he's bad" or something like that. He seemed like an interesting character.


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02 Jun 2005, 1:28 am

At the start of the movie, my first thought was that Grievous was going to be the lamest character, I mean, a coughing droid seemed really lame, but it made more sense later on. I really doubt that there is much of a back story to him with the exception of where he came from, how he became the seperatist leader, and was he force sensitive because he had sme Jedi training.

I'm still having trouble with the fact that Kashyyk didnt have trees that made those on Endor look tiny. I'd really like to see that explained, as a battle in the Lower Shadowlands of Kashyyk would have been extremely cool!



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02 Jun 2005, 5:41 am

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The one question I have about the 3rd movie is the prophecy is not clarified. Is the prophecy about Anakin or Luke? Sure, only Anakin was directly born by the force, but as son of Anakin, Luke could lay some claim to it, also. I cannot remember, does the prophecy say BY the force, or OF the force?
"The prophecy, mistaken might have been." -Yoda

Was the prophecy truly about Anakin? Or was it mistaken, in that Anakin would help unbalance it further. Mace Windu was on the verge of killing Palpatine, when Anakin stopped him. So was Anakin really necessary?Was his killing of the Emperor the fulfillment of the prophecy? Or was Luke's creation of a new brand of Jedi considered the new balance? Just what was the balancing of the force?


If you watch Return of the Jedi, you would know who really kills the emperor (I will not spoil it for you) I think the prophecy was about Anikin but It would be because of his son that the prophecy is fulfilled.

Watch the rest of the series and you will see.


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02 Jun 2005, 11:14 am

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I loved this prophecy stuff. I think it's fascinating.

Hopefully George Lucas will elaborate on it in a future game or the planned TV series.


I hope he dosen't. I think pratically all the post with the questions about episode III makes the case for "a little mystery goes a long way". Revealing the source of the force (midi chlorians) was a mistake, IMHO.

Mystery is the backbone of good myth. Exposing the truth about a mystery can have a deadening effect.


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02 Jun 2005, 12:13 pm

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Mystery is the backbone of good myth. Exposing the truth about a mystery can have a deadening effect.


Acutlly, truth is the backbone of a good myth.


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02 Jun 2005, 12:15 pm

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Acutlly, truth is the backbone of a good myth


Yes, but total truth does not enchant in the way mystery does. There is some truth in myth, but a good myth will always make one ask, "Why?"


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02 Jun 2005, 12:43 pm

not true, ever hear the saying that truth is stranger than fiction


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02 Jun 2005, 12:45 pm

maybe, but a myth ain't factual


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03 Jun 2005, 5:17 pm

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I hope he dosen't. I think pratically all the post with the questions about episode III makes the case for "a little mystery goes a long way". Revealing the source of the force (midi chlorians) was a mistake, IMHO.

Mystery is the backbone of good myth. Exposing the truth about a mystery can have a deadening effect.


I totally agree with you. When the truth (especially too much truth) about a mystery is revealed, it is usually a let down. It destroys a bit of the magic which is generally what makes myths so appealing in the first place.



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06 Jun 2005, 5:57 pm

I got the first trilogy on DVD as a present yesterday. I am watching 'Empire Strikes Back' right now.