The 11th Doctor and Autistic traits of fictional characters

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14 Jun 2010, 9:50 am

mesona wrote:

But you’re forgetting.

Amy Pond: You look human.
The Doctor: No, you look Timelord. We came first.

Humans are time lords! We are just not evolved to the same level yet.

So Aspies = Time Lords? Awesome!

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14 Jun 2010, 1:59 pm

Asp-Z wrote:

mesona wrote:

But you’re forgetting.

Amy Pond: You look human.
The Doctor: No, you look Timelord. We came first.

Humans are time lords! We are just not evolved to the same level yet.

So Aspies = Time Lords? Awesome!

Yes! And the first thing we should do is kill all the NT! long live the masters!

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mesona wrote:

I want to make jokes about being an aspie and did at an appleBees last night. I told the joke

"How many Asperger adults does it take to change a light bulb?

Just one, but he has to do three months of research first."

and the lady behind me started yelling at me about how bad it is to joke about people with autism and I should be beaten for making such a joke! even after I told her I do have aspergers and it is something I would do. she still went on about being PC.

Today I couldn't answer a homework question about a hypothetical two-state classification system without first wasting all the time I had allotted for homework reading up on superfluids and fermions and trying to figure out whether or not there was such a system so I could answer questions about it. (Mostly it was because the question turned out to be asking me to just randomly come up with a system. Bad idea.)

But anyway, I beg to differ. Why can't you just accept the light bulb the way it is, rather than trying to make it conform to your narrow standards of "normal" for no better reason than that it's more convenient for you to have light?! Haven't you ever considered whether or not the light bulb wants to change? Maybe it's happy being dark!

:wink:

I feel bad for the light bulb, it does not have a choice, it's under human control who decides for it to be dark or give light (and many more possibilities for use of the light bulb). Is there a light bulb rights association?

yes its called skynet.

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14 Jun 2010, 3:15 pm

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yes cause any character or famous person who was different from the what you consider the "norm" automatically has some form of autism. god you people are f***ing stupid

Could it be that perhaps people are looking for a hero with similar qualities shared by themselves? I find it worrisome that you come in with such negativity and offer nothing but vitriol to a productive discussion.

Just because a hero has similar qualities to someone with ASD doesn't mean they actually have it.

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14 Jun 2010, 7:33 pm

Anyone seen the new ep of Doctor Who, The Lodger? It was hilarious.

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15 Jun 2010, 12:12 am

Delirium wrote:

The Doctor is an alien. Of course he's going to act kind of "off."

I cannot believe how many people here cannot wait to plaster a famous person either real of fictional with an autistic sticker, :roll:

Unless they come out say they are on the spectrum I just have to assume they are just a little flaky like most of hollywood.

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15 Jun 2010, 5:52 am

Moony wrote:

Anyone seen the new ep of Doctor Who, The Lodger? It was hilarious.

When he said he needs to pretend to me a normal human, I thought "just like me everyday" :lol:

I also liked when Craig said "Has anyone ever told you that you're weird?" and The Doctor replied "They never really stop!"

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15 Jun 2010, 4:51 pm

Delirium wrote:

jayroo79 wrote:

DiabloDave363 wrote:

yes cause any character or famous person who was different from the what you consider the "norm" automatically has some form of autism. god you people are f***ing stupid

Just because a hero has similar qualities to someone with ASD doesn't mean they actually have it.

I totally get that. Please reread what I said carefully.

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31 Jan 2013, 12:58 am

Hey that just shows we've just become cool!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sillytilly92/5990388576/

I have this figure btw

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08 Feb 2013, 8:43 pm

Hmm, while I totally agree with the whole "The Doctor is an alien, so we can't assign him Human traits" thing when it comes to AS...here's an interesting thing about the Doctor.

By his own species' definition, he was not NT.

I wouldn't call him AS, because he's not human. But he was something like the Gallifreyan version of it. I believe they used the word 'rogue'. Anyone who didn't fit in with normal society was put in this category. Which puts him in the same category as the Master to them.

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26 Feb 2013, 7:00 pm

'Renegade' rather than 'rogue'.

I don't think any of us are really arguing fictional characters - alien or not - have AS, only that we recognise particular traits that we share or 'identify' with. We see a character struggling to make sense of situation most people take for granted and we think 'yeah, I've been there.' Doesn't matter if the character has two hearts and a respiratory bypass system.

And in many ways the looser identification is more useful: if we had a human character explicitly labelled AS he or she would only represent a very small sample of us. We're on a spectrum - there would be more of us saying 'that's not my experience' than people saying 'yes, that's me - nail on the head!'

On a related note I don't think there are many authentic NT characters on TV either: they're largely based on folk psychology and are more predictable and consistent than real NT's. They don't complain about it because its how they like to see themselves.

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26 Feb 2013, 8:03 pm

I think there's a case for Amy Pond having AS traits. She had an isolated childhood, she made a pass at the Doctor having entirely misread his intentions, she wasn't aware of her own body's emotional responses in Vincent and the Doctor (alexythemia?) and even Rory wasn't really sure she loved him as much as he loved her.

And the hostility of some sections of Outpost Gallifrey towards her - that she was a 'cold b***h', 'vain', 'self-centered', etc. are typical NT responses to people on the spectrum.

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27 Feb 2013, 5:44 am

Well the writer, producer of Doctor Who, Steven Moffet, is also the producer, writer for the BBC Sherlock show. On that show, they pretty much said Sherlock has AS. So it would not surpise me if the new doctors have AS traits.

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23 Mar 2013, 12:33 pm

In Triumph of a TIme Lord, Matt Hills quotes Steven Moffat:

"I'm going to be honest and fans may hate me for it but they have to remember that I am a fan myself. A proper list-making-borderline-autistic fan...."

If he's going to use "autistic" as a self-descriptor, don't you find it at least a little bit likely he's going to use autistic-like traits in some of his characters?

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