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23 Jan 2006, 9:00 pm

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The truth is, most science fiction has no basis whatsoever in scientific fact. Those that do usually distort these pretensions so badly they insult the audience into asking us to believe it, and that their misunderstanding of the issue is somehow pertient to our time (like The 6th Day). I also dislike the sci-fi films with pretentious philosophical metaphors and no human dimmension whatsoever (like Blade Runner). It's even worse when they are essentially action or fantasy movies disguised as thoughtful science fiction (like the Matrix movies).


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25 Jan 2006, 6:02 am

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Perfect future governments that never have to deal with corruption, graft, paperwork or inefficiency...


Something you RARELY get in any GOOD scifi

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Good guys look dashing or graceful; bad guys look barbaric or scheming...


Agen, not allways true

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Cybernetic modification of human beings is ALWAYS evil...


Um... Luke Skywalkers hand?

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Artificial Intelligence entities are ALWAYS evil and ALWAYS want to destroy humanity...


Probably exclusive to Matrix and Battlestar Galactica

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Futuristic Energy weapons kill people less efficiently than a good Winchester or AK-47... yet everyone uses overpriced, inefficient lasers...


Eh ok Ill give u that

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Self-righteous, hypocritical good guys...


Not allways. Sometimes the good guys actaully beleeve everything they talk about, and sometimes (eg Han Solo) they dont claim to have any ideals

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Thinly veiled metaphors to current political issues...


Ill give u that...

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Over-specialized societies or planets...


Ill give you that, but in an interstellar society, individual colonies wood probably be about as specialised as individual cities in our own society anyway.

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it's possible to hack into the computer of an alien spacecraft with a laptop and disable it's forcefield


Benn done ONCE to my knowledge.


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25 Jan 2006, 7:52 am

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All space ships must have a mindless array of non-functional lights that blink on and off

Um... running lights?

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Space ships must be of such size that one ever wonders how they were even built

They dont HAVE to be, you can just fit more guns on a bigger ship :P

As for how there built, capital ships in any series/film are usually built in orbital/deep space shipyards

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Earth is always a desolate place, having been over-used and over-mined


NOT allways. In Star Wars, it dosent even exist :P

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"Emergency Lighting" must always be red


Logical, red tends to symbolise danger


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25 Jan 2006, 7:53 am

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There must always be a beautiful girl who falls in love with the hero and she must always be saved.


Nah. Sometimes the hero accidentally kills her while trying to avenge her supposed death :P

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Everybody speaks English.


Granted.

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All alien planets always only ever look like one particular earth location in every episode of a given series (the Arizona desert in "Star Trek", Welsh slate quarries in "Blake's Seven", coniferous forests in "SG1", cheap-looking soundstage sets in "Space 1999" etc.).


Granted.

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Captain Kirk should always be a swinging bachelor so whenever Kirk falls in love with a beautiful woman... she will die by the end of the episode... the next week Kirk gets over her and has no psychological scars...


lol

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The Greys
Standard Big headed thin bug eyed aliens with their flying saucers.


That is the most likely single form of aliens thogh, cos its what was said to have been found at Roswell. If the Roswell stories are true, then theres aliens who look like that. Wereas in the case of anything else aliens could look like, theres no point of reference whatsoever in reality, its completely made up, so the odds against it being accurate are far grater

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Spiritual Aliens
Peaceful. Way advanced technology. May or may not be patronizing towards humans. Planet usually destroyed in some way. May or may not destroy humans as they are percieved as a threat to all civilised races of the galaxy.

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The Greys
Standard Big headed thin bug eyed aliens with their flying saucers.


The Asgard in Stargate fit into both of these stereotipes :P

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Evil bug monsters.
Monsters resembling insects. Hive mind. Usually uses organic technology; weapons are not manufactured, they are grown or mutated.


Or sometimes (in the case of the Belgaxas in Sons of Earth) scavenged/stolen/captured. (Allthogh, they did capture a shipyard and force the workers there to keep manufacturing weapons, for them instead of the USF)


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26 Jan 2006, 5:17 am

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Childlike Aliens
Bumbling aliens who 'want to be our friend'. Usually sickeningly cute. One wonders how they got advandced technology in the first place.

Mabey they didnt :P

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Sparking, flaming electronics that can be repaired with the touch of a button

lol yeh

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Every big facility worth its salt must have a self-destruct sequence with a scary voice announcing the time left before you die. Self-destruction isn't immediate, either, like you might think. At around a minute left, the place starts shaking around, girders fall, and random electronics start blowing up. Oh and the override button is always large, red, and placed a carefully measured distance far away from the self-destruct button to ensure that the hero can just barely make it in time if he hurries.
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^_^;;

Aliens heads are always bigger than ours.
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Inside every Alien is a very sweaty actor.

Kinda makes sense, unless its CGI...

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Aliens who wear no clothes and hang around kids or, more worryingly, kidnap little boys (ET & Close Encounters).

LOL!

ET didnt kidnap elliot...



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26 Jan 2006, 7:03 pm

TV/movie SF gets lots of things wrong, true (You forgot the sound of ships whooshing by, even though space is a vacuum) but most of the SF novels I've read are intelligent extrapolations of technological, sociological, psychological and political trends.

In Harlan Ellison's original script for "City On The Edge of Forever" (ST:OS), the death of Edith Keeler has a deep psychological impact on Captain Kirk. The climactic scene occurs in Kirk's cabin between Kirk and Spock. In Ellison's version, the final line is Spock saying to Kirk that "No woman was ever offered the universe for love." In the TV version, after all the eviscerations of Ellison's script, all Kirk says is "Let's get the H*** out of here."



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26 Jan 2006, 9:46 pm

Aliens with mouths that look like certain unmentionable body parts....



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26 Jan 2006, 10:30 pm

The energy needs of the life support system or even the lighting will be so great that it is worth while to divert power from life support to propulsion or to go around in a darkened ship.(more often,shedding excesses heat would be a problem,if your using
any nuclear or other long burn/low acceleration engine intead of primitive chemical fuels).

The line of acceleration will always be parallel to the plain of the deck, instead of perpendicular to it, which would work better
with a one g-acceleration or less (don't have to invent "gravity plates' or some such control to keep the crew from being slammed against the aft bulkhead-and if gravity behaves as a field shouldn't those gravity plates in the deck only interfere
withforces perpendicular to them anyway?)

instead of suiting up and dumping the ship's atmosphere as soon as we recognize an intruder or biohazard, we will wait till everything else has failed and most of the crew is dead9or at least the tribbles have eaten the grain).

Anyone can figure out an alien species control panel in a few hours,Lanuages are like codes and can be deciphered.

We will not send unmanned probes down to the planet's surface first, that would be cheating.



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28 Jan 2006, 6:03 pm

Penal Colony planets!
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress(Heinlien)
Fatal Impact
Star Trek The wrath of Kahn
Aliens 3
episodes of both Star Trek ong and Enterprise



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28 Jan 2006, 7:14 pm

They got the idea from the British Empire, which actually did that more than once.

J.D. Robb's "Eve Dallas" future police procedurals have a world in which the prisons are "offworld" - i.e. in orbit. A very good idea from a security standpoint! Although expensive.



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29 Jan 2006, 3:08 am

Characters defy the laws of physics by venturing out in space without adaquate protection

Attractive females (alien or human) are required to wear skin-tight, revealing clothing :D

Only the main character suspects that a rebellion is imminent, even when it should be plainly obvious to everyone

Planet-destroying doomsday weapons must have obvious weakpoints for rebels to exploit

Glurks are nobel and wise, Widgets are honourable and courageous, but humans - despite being primitive, arrogant and clumsy, are "special" and destined for greater things

Nobody ever thinks to wear rubber-insulated gloves to prevent electric injury from the dangerous, overloaded circuitry

Viruses and bacteria are only common to earth



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31 Jan 2006, 5:25 am

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Only the main character suspects that a rebellion is imminent, even when it should be plainly obvious to everyone

Its suprising how realistic this is. Most of the people I know cant see that Britain is turning into a fascist police state (well, that or dont care, but I prefer to assume they cant see it...)


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26 Aug 2006, 3:35 pm

There is always only ONE CITY per PLANET :x

Radiation can explain everything from ascending to godhood to aquireing an acne disorder.

The "Evil Clone" scenario

I personally fail to see whats so attractive about green women. And where are the green men?

"Again with the Clingons"

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26 Aug 2006, 4:04 pm

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There is always only ONE CITY per PLANET :x

Coruscant in Star Wars - 1 city IS the planet :P

That said, its actually quite realistic that extraterrestrial colonies WOULD have 1 city per planet, the settlers wouldnt bother to build too far from the original landing zone unless there was a reason to do so.

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Radiation can explain everything from ascending to godhood to aquireing an acne disorder.

xD again, quite possible. Or do you have a list of all the different possible mutations that can occur from radiation? Exactly how long IS that list?

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And where are the green men?

Prince Xizor. Also, the classical "little green men" scenario :P

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I believe ull find Klingons are a Star Trek cliche, not a scifi cliche :roll:


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27 Aug 2006, 2:30 am

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There is always only ONE CITY per PLANET :x



That said, its actually quite realistic that extraterrestrial colonies WOULD have 1 city per planet, the settlers wouldnt bother to build too far from the original landing zone unless there was a reason to do so.


I was referring to the uncolinized planets. Example in the Star Trek episode "A Piece of the action" There are only 12 or so bosses. Could that many people's territoies really encompass a whole planet? Especially with a mafia government. To do that they would need an incredible amount of "boys", yet when Kirk claims "There are over 400 guys" abord the enterprise, they find the idea unbelivable. Oxmix and Cracko must have many more than that to manage large portions of a planet. Of course all this assumes that the show is logical, wich, as Spock points out many times, it is not. :wink:



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27 Aug 2006, 5:38 am

Futuristic armour is always crap. See: Storm Troopers, Imperial Guard.

The villain's super galactic space soldiers will always possess the shooting talent of Stevie Wonder, UNLESS expressly written in as part of the story. Again, see: 'Storm Trooper Syndrome'.

Futuristic space craft must always be powered by a super powered engine capable of destroying entire star systems if it ever breaks down, which it does, frequently. See: Warp Core Breach.