Star Wars: the Force Awakens - Worst Star Wars film ever?

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Once upon a time there were people who loved lemons. In fact, they liked lemons so much that they set up this special club for other lemon-lovers. They all got together to discuss how much they liked lemons.
And then a strange thing happened. Instead of being happy about how much they loved lemons, they started to actively dislike anyone who professed not to like lemons. They then even started to hate people who didn't like lemons.
Lemon-loving became a religion of sorts, and anyone who said they didn't like lemons was accused of blasphemy and the lemon-lovers wanted them dead.
So the lemon-haters started answering back.
And that's where we are now, minus the kittens.

No one here has stated any dislike for anyone else. Do you really only engage in conversations in which everyone shares the same opinion? It's very hard to learn or contribute anything to the world in that way.

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I enjoyed The Force Awakens and the new characters, and I did geek out when the Millennium Falcon made it's appearance, and when Han and Chewie made their appearances, and then when Leia made her appearance, and when C-3PO and R2-D2 also made their appearances LoL. I must confess too, that I got very emotional at the final scene with Luke... so very much has happenned between the time I saw A New Hope as a wide eyed 7yo and The Force Awakens as a recently diagnosed 45yo.

Oh, and I'm looking forward to reading Star Wars: Bloodline.

Me, too. What do you think of the theory that Luke is Rey's father? I think it's more likely she's Kylo Ren's twin sister. Luke and Leia were twins separated for their own protection, so it would continue that pattern.

I don't think Rey and Kylo are twins as they are different ages but they could still be siblings

My gut feeling is that Rey is Luke's daughter. She has shown to be very strong in the Force. Rey seems to have a connection with Luke's (once Anakin's) lightsaber. Maz even says, “and now it’s calling for you.” I'm not so good with subtext, but I'd like to think that she's not presenting Luke with his lightsaber at the first Jedi Temple, but presenting herself to Luke as his daughter.

Meh, I enjoyed it.

Ha, ha, I just got a virtual hug! I'm smiling my ass off!

I've a horrible feeling that Ep 8 will be a remake (of sorts) of ESB and Ep 9 will be remake (of sorts) of RoTJ.
I hope I'm wrong, but I just can't shake this feeling.

Yeah, true, no-one on this particular thread has expressed any dislike toward anyone for expressing their dislike of TFA. When I posted my comment I had in mind the hatred that dislikers of the original trilogy experience from those who think it's faultless. And yeah, I realize that's off-topic because this thread is about TFA. But whatever, I wrote what I wrote with the OT in mind (albeit in the wrong thread). People like me who don't think the OT is anywhere near as good as it's cracked up to be are accused by some of blasphemy, heresy, sacrilege. They're only films, yet people have this quasi-religious devotion toward the OT. And conversely, anyone who says they like episodes I, II or III is equally vilified, because the accepted wisdom among the "true believers" is that episodes IV, V and VI are perfect and episodes I, II and III are s**t. That is ridiculously simplistic reasoning and doesn't stand up to in-depth analysis. (For the record, I think all 6 films have good things and bad things about them (to a greater or lesser degree), and all of them could be improved, because none of them are perfect).

As for your question "Do you really only engage in conversations in which everyone shares the same opinion?", the answer is a resounding no. There are films I like that others have told me they dislike/hate and vice versa, but I'll engage in a discussion with anyone about a film if the person can be reasoned with.
But that's a big if. Many Star Wars fanboys/fangirls simply cannot be reasoned with. They're intolerant and illogical.
You point out scientific impossibilities, plot holes, poor acting, poor dialogue, poor plots, and they simply don't want to know. It's as if they're putting their fingers in their ears and going "Blah, blah, blah, not listening."
I'll gladly engage in conversation with someone who doesn't share my opinion providing that person is capable of engaging in a logical conversation. If not, there's no chance of anyone learning anything.

Film is an art form, and therefore opinions about movies will always be at least partially subjective. A film can be objectively perfect (great script, great acting, etc.) and still not everyone will enjoy it. The opposite is also true.

^Good point.

Certain things are subjective, but plot holes aren't.
Plot holes are a matter of logic, not opinion.
When they decided not to shoot at the escape pod with R2-D2 and C-3PO on board that was a major plot hole. If they'd destroyed the pod that'd've been the end of the film.

Sadly that's the main problem I had with EpVII. Here are a few of the many annoying plot holes from The Force Awakens:

1. Why did Luke went missing? - The film didn't make it very clear, and I don't mind a good old mystery, but the movie didn't even bother to tease us with some clues as to why he would be missing. I'm pretty sure they did that on purpose.

2. Why didn't the First Order put all of their efforts to kill Finn as fast as possible? - Finn, one of their stormtroopers, revealed to the Republic/Rebelion the Starkiller base's weak point, and judging by the atronomical damage the base received at the end of the film (SPOILER ALERT: it blew up! ) you'd think that the First Order would send, oh I don't know, Captain Phazma or some Boba Fett-esque bounty hunter (or even Boba Fett himself! ) to kill Finn as fast possible so that they would prevent valueble information from leeking out to their enemies. But nope! They just let that happen because... Star Wars Episode IV: a New Hope.


Heck! Even Boba Fett's father, Jango Fett, did just that; he killed one of the bounty hunters that Obi-Wan and Anakin were interrogating Coruscant by shooting a posion dart at her.

I mean, if a character FROM THE PREQUELS does something smarter than what an intergalactic empire did with its whistleblower then I think Star Wars: The Force Awakens has some serious logic problems!

3. What happened to Captain Phazma after the Starkiller base got destroyed? - I mean, seriously, you have one of the most feminist characters in the movie and you don't reveal her fate? Heck! at least we got to know what happened to Boba fett in Return Of the Jedi! Meanwhile our potential feminist stormtrooper who may enpower many women died offscreen... or at least I think she did.

See? Notice how this annoying plothole made me wonder? I believe the reason why is that is because Disney wanted to cash-in on Five Night's at Freddy's popularity by imitating them. Do you see why I bring it up so often?

Thank you! I'm not the only one who hates this movie! I couldn't make it past halfway through it, that's how boring it was.

Plot Hole:
In fiction, a plot hole, plothole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot. Such inconsistencies include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

A plot hole is that ghosty Obi Wan asks Yoda, "Was I any different when you taught me?" yet in the prequels Yoda is never his teacher.
A lot of the other stuff you guys are saying does not meet the definition.