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Sweetleaf
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22 Aug 2020, 3:57 am
22 Aug 2020, 3:57 am
League_Girl wrote:
Pepe wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
When I was a kid, I thought a bully was taking lunch money from kids or teasing someone every day calling them names that are meant to hurt them and it's done with intent. If someone didn't fit the bully description you always see on TV they were not a bully. So I am not surprised if bullies out there do not see themselves as a bully.
Maybe ? When I was a kid I thought bullying had to be physical so any teasing I received I didn't consider as bullying even though it's was harmful.
My husband had the same thought as you. He said he was never bullied until high school. He meant he was teased and then he started to get beat up in high school.
"The dictionary is your friend." (I've trademarked that sentence, btw, not to be confused with Fnord's "Google is your friend.":))
Quote:
bully1
verb
past tense: bullied; past participle: bullied
seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce (someone perceived as vulnerable).
verb
past tense: bullied; past participle: bullied
seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce (someone perceived as vulnerable).
Most of the time, the dictionary is wrong because people don't use words how the dictionary uses them.
See https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentu ... ctionarium
Not saying you are doing it but people do use the dictionary as an argument to say "but the dictionary says..." to support their argument.
Then they are doing it wrong.
22 Aug 2020, 3:59 am
League_Girl wrote:
BenderRodriguez wrote:
Isabella, I'm equality confused. I've heard here before the argument "I'm allowed to use insults if I'm right". It has never been made clear how "being right" is decided.
*From another non-American who would never vote for Trump
*From another non-American who would never vote for Trump
So far what I have learned is it's okay to call people these things if they are true.
But my question is what if they are wrong with their accusation? What if everyone had a different view on what is considered racism? Or what is considered white supremacy?
I called someone an idiot, because they were, and got a warning.
22 Aug 2020, 4:03 am
Brictoria wrote:
Pepe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
“People” cannot be misconstrued as a single person.
“Those people” is often said when one wants to make an ethnically/racially insensitive statement, though.
“Those people” is often said when one wants to make an ethnically/racially insensitive statement, though.
"You" people make me frustrated with your semantics
.Was that an anti-semantic comment?
Indeed it was.
I checked the spelling before I posted, btw.
22 Aug 2020, 4:13 am
22 Aug 2020, 4:15 am
22 Aug 2020, 4:16 am
BenderRodriguez wrote:
Thank you, this has been the purpose of this thread from the start and some people here really made an effort to mend the fences and find solutions.
I didn't.
I came to poke fun at Fnord.
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22 Aug 2020, 4:17 am
funeralxempire
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22 Aug 2020, 4:22 am
League_Girl wrote:
magz wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
I don't care if it's a personal attack. If someone decides to insult me, they shouldn't be surprised what I say to them next. I see it as self defense.
So you don't care about breaking the rules after someone else broke them first?
Precisely, Alex should add to the rules "no self defense, please use the mods against your attacker to get them into trouble."
Crap, I think I just tipped my enemies off on how to get rid of me.
Ideally no one should be gotten rid of.
22 Aug 2020, 4:23 am
Sweetleaf wrote:
avoid L&D and stay away from politics and religion seems to be the best policy right now, at least that is what I try to do when I come back here...which well is much, much less than I used to come here.
Yes, the PPR and News forums are in the sewer, but I haven't seen problems of the "Luv" forum.
I think things have improved there since I came along.
22 Aug 2020, 4:41 am
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
If someone calls "you" a Racist,
And "you" are offended by being called a Racist,
And yet they persist in saying "you" are a Racist,
While there is no evidence that "you" are a Racist,
The intent is to offend.
And "you" are offended by being called a Racist,
And yet they persist in saying "you" are a Racist,
While there is no evidence that "you" are a Racist,
The intent is to offend.
However, if someone calls a poster racist because they insist on expressing racist opinions and gaslighting everyone when called on it, they're still a racist but now also a dishonest bully (at least when they attempt to use the mods as a weapon against people who have noticed how their posts read). Not agreeing that one is racist doesn't automatically mean that one isn't racist. Not self-identifying as a white supremacist or western chauvinist doesn't inherently disqualify one from counting (those two are largely synonymous but splitting hairs isn't actually a defence if it passes the duck test).
I know who I am, and I am not a racist.
There are *considerations* that can be made because a logical, intelligent person thinks critically, despite the rabid howling groupthinking lynch mob's objections.
Simple speculation often gives our social ferals the excuse to come out with torches and pitchforks, however.
In other words,
I haven't been into the PPR forum for ages, darling.
envirozentinel
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22 Aug 2020, 4:43 am
Pepe wrote:
BenderRodriguez wrote:
Thank you, this has been the purpose of this thread from the start and some people here really made an effort to mend the fences and find solutions.
I didn't.
I came to poke fun at Fnord.
"Poking fun" is NOT a good phrase to use. That's what NTs so often do with us. I saw the thing between you and Fnord as a humorous exchange. Laugh with him, not at him!
22 Aug 2020, 4:52 am
22 Aug 2020, 4:56 am
22 Aug 2020, 5:04 am
22 Aug 2020, 5:08 am
Pepe wrote:
BenderRodriguez wrote:
Feyokien wrote:
BenderRodriguez wrote:
Yet, these feuds and petty grudges created on political grounds have been spilling all over the forum, including the Haven and the rest of us can't use it for its intended purpose without every other thread being derailed into endless, repetitive and violent arguments and downright harassment (some people were indeed threatened with physical violence). It's enough to disagree with someone on non-political issues to be called a snowflake, a Nazi or even a racist.
I think the term Nazi should be added to the derogatory list. Sure some people have expressed white nationalist sympathies consciously or not, but no one here is spouting off Nazi rhetoric. The term has very specific historic context that no one here supports. Obviously is an actual Nazi shows up in their full infamy than yeah.
BenderRodriguez wrote:
There has also been a serious problem with the way very young people and those lower functioning are being treated, which included various forms of invalidation, insults and being told to their faces that their opinions and experiences don't matter due to their age or level of impairment.
Agreed. The mean age of WP users seems to have gone up since I took a break back in 2017.
I agree, Neo-Nazi or alt-right would be more appropriate terms. And not to be a snowflake, but us Europeans tend to take the word very seriously and some scars haven't healed yet, many of us visited Auschwitz and have been told first-hand about what our parents or grandparents went through and what it took to rebuild our countries from the ground up. I'm not comfortable with people trivialising these tragedies by throwing the word around so casually.
Yes, activity, in general, decreased dramatically, especially on autism-related issues and so did civility. There have been some "territorial" attitudes too and young ones and new users aren't welcomed in a particularly warm manner.
And what about the flip side of collective guilt?
I am convinced I was persecuted for having a German parent when I was a young child and spent most of my childhood with the guilt of 13 million people dying in the death camps, on my shoulders.
While it is water off a duck's back for me, these days, making sport through political point-scoring off the misery on both sides is something I find childish and obnoxious.
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