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30 Sep 2019, 11:33 am

Also what the mod says is that when attacking me it depends on context, but if he's not on the side of the person then contact seems to be irrelevant. I see another user has joined the discussion who has launched endless tirades against me and then the user who was warned after the 100th time of telling me I hate America has just come in and basically called me an "American hating bigot". The same guy who pretty much said a journalist should be executed by the US state.
Me and others here have been debunking the Russiagate hoax conspiracy theory the whole way along and were called all kinds of names in the process with no action taken. Yet me stating facts and providing evidence gets me a warning and banned. I can't correct people calling me a racist conspiracy theorist because I will get banned! The privileged ethnic group stat came from Norman Finkelstein, a Jewish man who's parents were in Nazi concentration camps and both sides of his family were liquidated by the Nazis. This isn't about antisemitism, it's about Israel! A racist and murderous state whose soldiers celebrate when they shoot someone and who shoot kids in the balls.

It's absurd to say I hate all the people in a country because I protest against what their government is doing. That's just paranoid garbage. It's why I feel sorry for a lot of Israelis that are exploited by their government.


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30 Sep 2019, 12:01 pm

Ouch John Powell, I rest my case.


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30 Sep 2019, 4:00 pm

I think the mods have a very tough job and I am grateful for their work on WP.

I think moderator issues should be discussed with the mods, and not on an open forum.

Of course we are not always going to agree with a mod's decision. Otherwise we would not need mods. I support the mod's position because he is a moderator and because it is a tricky decision.

Interesting word, moderator. Helping to make communication be more moderate.

I don't think any of the active posters on PPR suffer from not having their full views expressed.


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30 Sep 2019, 4:22 pm

Come to think of it, Blaze ... I have to wonder now why this thread was left open, especially when about a half-dozen other threads were locked over the weekend.



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30 Sep 2019, 6:20 pm

No government is a perfect system I think scrutiny is a good thing

*edit might of missed some posts in question*



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30 Sep 2019, 10:01 pm

I think a mod needs to have certain qualities.

They should not come off as someone on a power trip. Or as heavy-handed or intimidating or unapproachable to many.

If they are moderating in areas where politics or religion is being discussed/debated they should not come off as heavily biased. If there are two sides going at it, one side should not feel like the moderator is an enforcer for the other side.

If there are two sides, call them Orange team and Green team, a moderator should not come off as being like the captain of the Green team. He/she should not be using the same type of jargon the Green team uses against the Orange team.

That makes things unfair and unbalanced and discourages posting.



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01 Oct 2019, 3:00 am

EzraS wrote:
I think a mod needs to have certain qualities.

They should not come off as someone on a power trip. Or as heavy-handed or intimidating or unapproachable to many.

If they are moderating in areas where politics or religion is being discussed/debated they should not come off as heavily biased. If there are two sides going at it, one side should not feel like the moderator is an enforcer for the other side.

If there are two sides, call them Orange team and Green team, a moderator should not come off as being like the captain of the Green team. He/she should not be using the same type of jargon the Green team uses against the Orange team.

That makes things unfair and unbalanced and discourages posting.

You are right but take it into account that people with radical political views tend to interpret any disagreement with them as supporting the opposite option. The mods need to deal a lot with such people.


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01 Oct 2019, 4:41 am

What we need is a civil lecel of debate that is within the rules. I had to remove one or two posts containing personal attacks. Thanks to those of you who ensure dialogue remains constructive.


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01 Oct 2019, 5:49 am

magz wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I think a mod needs to have certain qualities.

They should not come off as someone on a power trip. Or as heavy-handed or intimidating or unapproachable to many.

If they are moderating in areas where politics or religion is being discussed/debated they should not come off as heavily biased. If there are two sides going at it, one side should not feel like the moderator is an enforcer for the other side.

If there are two sides, call them Orange team and Green team, a moderator should not come off as being like the captain of the Green team. He/she should not be using the same type of jargon the Green team uses against the Orange team.

That makes things unfair and unbalanced and discourages posting.

You are right but take it into account that people with radical political views tend to interpret any disagreement with them as supporting the opposite option. The mods need to deal a lot with such people.


Should people like that be moderators?


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01 Oct 2019, 6:51 am

envirozentinel wrote:
What we need is a civil lecel of debate that is within the rules. I had to remove one or two posts containing personal attacks. Thanks to those of you who ensure dialogue remains constructive.


I was going to bring you up before you posted here. You have expressed strong political views. I can see us being on opposite sides of a debate. But you are not any of the things I described above. Nor do any of the complaints made in the beginning of this thread apply to you as far as I can tell. I can not imagine there being a thread about you like the first part of this one. Like I said even though we might disagee on certain issues I am glad you are a moderator.



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01 Oct 2019, 6:58 am

magz wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I think a mod needs to have certain qualities.

They should not come off as someone on a power trip. Or as heavy-handed or intimidating or unapproachable to many.

If they are moderating in areas where politics or religion is being discussed/debated they should not come off as heavily biased. If there are two sides going at it, one side should not feel like the moderator is an enforcer for the other side.

If there are two sides, call them Orange team and Green team, a moderator should not come off as being like the captain of the Green team. He/she should not be using the same type of jargon the Green team uses against the Orange team.

That makes things unfair and unbalanced and discourages posting.

You are right but take it into account that people with radical political views tend to interpret any disagreement with them as supporting the opposite option. The mods need to deal a lot with such people.


When a moderator talks about clamping down on vailed rule breaking by cryptofascists, I see a tyrant to be painfully blunt and honest. And I see a specific group being targeted who are not actually "cryptofascists" but are viewed as such by that moderator.



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01 Oct 2019, 7:59 am

EzraS wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
What we need is a civil lecel of debate that is within the rules. I had to remove one or two posts containing personal attacks. Thanks to those of you who ensure dialogue remains constructive.


I was going to bring you up before you posted here. You have expressed strong political views. I can see us being on opposite sides of a debate. But you are not any of the things I described above. Nor do any of the complaints made in the beginning of this thread apply to you as far as I can tell. I can not imagine there being a thread about you like the first part of this one. Like I said even though we might disagee on certain issues I am glad you are a moderator.



Thanks. The mod team seldom discuss a specific thread or issue with one another except on the odd occasion. Most of the time we operate as individuals as we are few and mostly in varied time zones.

So we have different ways of interpreting the rules. I don't think there are rules about simply discussing a theory, even if its a silly one like Flat Earth. Some good points have been raised in this thread.

I mostly look out for personal attacks as well as instances of clearly intended racism, homophobia, sexism, and other forms of discrimination.


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01 Oct 2019, 9:01 am

EzraS wrote:
magz wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I think a mod needs to have certain qualities.

They should not come off as someone on a power trip. Or as heavy-handed or intimidating or unapproachable to many.

If they are moderating in areas where politics or religion is being discussed/debated they should not come off as heavily biased. If there are two sides going at it, one side should not feel like the moderator is an enforcer for the other side.

If there are two sides, call them Orange team and Green team, a moderator should not come off as being like the captain of the Green team. He/she should not be using the same type of jargon the Green team uses against the Orange team.

That makes things unfair and unbalanced and discourages posting.

You are right but take it into account that people with radical political views tend to interpret any disagreement with them as supporting the opposite option. The mods need to deal a lot with such people.


When a moderator talks about clamping down on vailed rule breaking by cryptofascists, I see a tyrant to be painfully blunt and honest. And I see a specific group being targeted who are not actually "cryptofascists" but are viewed as such by that moderator.

Indeed, a moderator who can't separate the rules from their own views is not doing the best job...
I guess I spend too little time in PPR to know who you mean. Probably healthy for me :mrgreen:


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01 Oct 2019, 9:06 am

Magz wrote:
]Indeed, a moderator who can't separate the rules from their own views is not doing the best job...
That's why objective judgments are best verified best by consensus -- by a 12-member jury, for example, instead of just 1 magistrate.



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01 Oct 2019, 9:30 am

There was a topic about the movie "The Hunt". I merely stated the premise of the movie ("evil liberals hunt MAGA people") and my post was removed, because someone complained. Yet, that is what the movie is advertised to be about.

Another time I was told I was arguing too much, someone complained, and I got a warning that I needed to make a new topic and not argue so much.

Often moderation seems to be a knee-jerk reaction to members complaining.


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01 Oct 2019, 9:41 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
... Often moderation seems to be a knee-jerk reaction to members complaining.
The moderators don't always know what is going on unless someone reports it. While a single moderator acting like a "Lone Ranger" can act swiftly to eliminate a problem, this may be perceived as abuse of power. The alternative is to have no post deleted, no thread locked, and no member banned unless a clear majority votes for it.

Maybe it's more like:

Submitting a "Play Nice" post: One moderator, no review.
Deleting a Post: Two or more moderators in agreement, with review by all moderators.
Locking a Thread: Two or more moderators in agreement, with review by all moderators.
Suspending a Member: A majority of moderators with review by all moderators.
Banning a Member: All moderators (unanimous), with review by Alex.
Banning an obvious Troll or Spammer: One moderator, with review by all moderators and/or Alex.

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