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14 Jan 2017, 1:04 pm

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What are qualification and other factors to take into consideration? I don't really understand what is so hard about it unless it's being blocked...

The very fact that people make so many mistakes suggests that it's hard.

I think the most important things are activity, personality, communication skills, past behaviour, and intelligence. Now personally I feel under-equipped but I'm also pretty sure I'm better than a lot of the options.

Issues are often quite complex and long-running. A good mod should be able to keep track of a long-running issue and provide an appropriate response to a conflict that arises. You need to judge when to act and when to just dismiss the reports. You need to be able to defuse an argument rather than escalating it. It's best if you don't have a significant history of causing trouble and alienating people.

That's why I've always thought that Janissy would be perfect, and Cornflake was pretty much perfect too. Would aghogday have been just as good? Mootoo?



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14 Jan 2017, 1:37 pm

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What are qualification and other factors to take into consideration? I don't really understand what is so hard about it unless it's being blocked...

The very fact that people make so many mistakes suggests that it's hard.

I think the most important things are activity, personality, communication skills, past behaviour, and intelligence. Now personally I feel under-equipped but I'm also pretty sure I'm better than a lot of the options.

Issues are often quite complex and long-running. A good mod should be able to keep track of a long-running issue and provide an appropriate response to a conflict that arises. You need to judge when to act and when to just dismiss the reports. You need to be able to defuse an argument rather than escalating it. It's best if you don't have a significant history of causing trouble and alienating people.

That's why I've always thought that Janissy would be perfect, and Cornflake was pretty much perfect too. Would aghogday have been just as good? Mootoo?



So then how'd you get picked? :wink:

I've had multiple mods tell me they are understaffed and that too much is asked of them, if that's the case then add a new mod and I don't think there would be any shortage of volunteers. Those mods also gave a different reason for why these spots don't get filled however. Fill the spot and if doesn't work out, then vote to remove them or something, seems pretty simple.



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14 Jan 2017, 2:26 pm

Mootoo!! ! Yahahaha! :hail: :lmao:

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14 Jan 2017, 2:48 pm

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What are qualification and other factors to take into consideration? I don't really understand what is so hard about it unless it's being blocked...

The very fact that people make so many mistakes suggests that it's hard.

I think the most important things are activity, personality, communication skills, past behaviour, and intelligence. Now personally I feel under-equipped but I'm also pretty sure I'm better than a lot of the options.

Issues are often quite complex and long-running. A good mod should be able to keep track of a long-running issue and provide an appropriate response to a conflict that arises. You need to judge when to act and when to just dismiss the reports. You need to be able to defuse an argument rather than escalating it. It's best if you don't have a significant history of causing trouble and alienating people.

That's why I've always thought that Janissy would be perfect, and Cornflake was pretty much perfect too. Would aghogday have been just as good? Mootoo?



So then how'd you get picked? :wink:

I've had multiple mods tell me they are understaffed and that too much is asked of them, if that's the case then add a new mod and I don't think there would be any shortage of volunteers. Those mods also gave a different reason for why these spots don't get filled however. Fill the spot and if doesn't work out, then vote to remove them or something, seems pretty simple.

I did ask several times if they were sure they'd read my posts!

We are trying to recruit new mods right now. There are suitable candidates around (although so far my call for volunteers has resulted in nobody putting themselves forward; this might be because some people don't think they'd be good enough, or because people realise what a crappy job it is and don't want it). The is another issue which I'm sure long-term users can't help being aware of, suspect we're talking about the same thing. The same issue also makes it pretty hard for a mod to get removed.



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14 Jan 2017, 3:29 pm

Well it seems like most long term posters are disqualified for one reason or another which is the issue, I'd do it but something tells me I'm not being considered. Come on, it would be so easy tho! :roll: :P

The limitations make it frustrating for sure tho, this probably wouldn't be an issue if that wasn't an issue.

There probably should be another American mod I think whoever it is, for diversity's sake and also I would think the timezone differences would make it more taxing than it would need be to cover all hours of the day. I don't know the statistics but I imagine Americans make up the majority of traffic on this site. XFG is the only American and I'm not sure how long she wants to stick around.



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14 Jan 2017, 4:03 pm

In fact, Adamantium is American too, and so of course is the Mod-in-Chief Alex.



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14 Jan 2017, 4:24 pm

I thought Adamantium was from the UK, my mistake.



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14 Jan 2017, 4:34 pm

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That's another thing - when the "idiot" term was said by this person, did she get a warning or was she just "talked" to? I saw how you were explaining the situation. Anyone else would have probably been issued a citation. This is what I see as "preferencial" treatment and the thing is there is no way to know who gets what because it is not made public.


Do you mean me?


No, not you. You know what really bothered me? She finally figured out that she had said the wrong thing and didn't even apologize after she knew she was wrong for saying it, but that is a whole other topic.


While the word chosen for the illustration, "idiot" was the same as the one in the incident you are thinking of, the example was generic and not meant to be a comment on that specific issue.


Mr. A., you are not who I thought you were at all. You are making excuses for certain people. In this circumstance, she finally figured out she was wrong and still nothing happened. If I had said that word, I would have gotten another warning. And how come you just dismissed my question on your "Deplorable" thread? Do I not have a right to be answered?

You know what really bothers me, I have never been treated worse in my whole life than I have on this forum - by anyone, just because I am a Trump supporter. Kraichgauer is supposed to be such a Christian, but his mouth should be washed out with soap repeatedly. You're a Christian and that's why your "Deplorable" thread bothered me (and other Conservatives here) because by making that thread you were showing it was OK for anyone here who is on the Left to say whatever they wanted and nothing was going to happen to them - and it hasn't.

Now, I have some Ass (let's just get it out in the open of who it is - PECUSER) who is a regular member here sending hate PM's to me calling me a "Crazy b***h" which is harassment. But you know what? I'm not turning it in (or even reading them) because nothing ever happens to these people. The last time I turned in hateful PM's - I GOT BANNED - for having to take the matter into my own hands. So yes, I do believe the moderators need a time frame on how long they are in their positions because right now the job is not being done correctly by the ones who are filling the positions. (IMO)


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14 Jan 2017, 4:40 pm

Fascinating...



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14 Jan 2017, 4:44 pm

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I think part of the problem is due to initially inadvertent offensiveness. I've noticed conservative members make statements that are incredibly offensive to a group of people but when others try to explain why those statements are offensive, the conservative members will just repeat their previous statements without stopping to try to understand things from the other point of view.

Specifically, I've witnessed a lot of offensive statements about transgender people. It's clear that the posters don't even realize how offensive they're being. So other members attack what those posters are saying.

It's ok to attack a belief. If someone believes gay people shouldn't get married, you can attack that belief. If your belief is due to your religion, then be prepared to have your religion attacked as well.

There are plenty of conservative posters who make well-reasoned logical arguments that are based on facts. But there are a larger number of people I've seen who just post arguments that are full of holes (and really aren't even valid arguments). Their citations (if they even post them) are usually from illegitimate or fake news sites that seem to exist solely to push a certain point of view.

Generally when liberals post faulty arguments that aren't based on facts, it's about gun control or something else that doesn't actually contain bigotry against another group of people. So they don't foment as much of a negative environment, even if what they're saying is wrong. There's a difference between attacking someone's beliefs (such as their religion or politics) and attacking a person for who they are (such as their sexual orientation or gender identity).

You said it far better than I could have. Thanks...



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14 Jan 2017, 4:53 pm

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Fascinating...


I bet it is fascinating for you because all you are is a bully. But you know what? It's not going to work with me because I will never read your PM's so you are just wasting your time. You are no better than filth on the bottom of my shoes that I'm going to walk all over tonight.


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14 Jan 2017, 4:55 pm

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I think part of the problem is due to initially inadvertent offensiveness. I've noticed conservative members make statements that are incredibly offensive to a group of people but when others try to explain why those statements are offensive, the conservative members will just repeat their previous statements without stopping to try to understand things from the other point of view.

Specifically, I've witnessed a lot of offensive statements about transgender people. It's clear that the posters don't even realize how offensive they're being. So other members attack what those posters are saying.

It's ok to attack a belief. If someone believes gay people shouldn't get married, you can attack that belief. If your belief is due to your religion, then be prepared to have your religion attacked as well.

There are plenty of conservative posters who make well-reasoned logical arguments that are based on facts. But there are a larger number of people I've seen who just post arguments that are full of holes (and really aren't even valid arguments). Their citations (if they even post them) are usually from illegitimate or fake news sites that seem to exist solely to push a certain point of view.

Generally when liberals post faulty arguments that aren't based on facts, it's about gun control or something else that doesn't actually contain bigotry against another group of people. So they don't foment as much of a negative environment, even if what they're saying is wrong. There's a difference between attacking someone's beliefs (such as their religion or politics) and attacking a person for who they are (such as their sexual orientation or gender identity).

You said it far better than I could have. Thanks...


I also don't see where it says here that it is ok to harass another member by sending them PM's calling them a "Crazy b***h". Do I need to get my glasses on? Is it somewhere in microscopic print and I'm just missing it?

I take that back - you called me an "Evil b***h". And I sure the hell know that I'm not EVIL! : - P


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14 Jan 2017, 5:00 pm

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WikiLeaks has just released some hacked video of one of the formal complaints made against Dox's behavior here on WP, and you have to admit, it's pretty damning.


Funny story: Some years ago we had a moderator go rogue and run off to a troll site with a copy of the mod logs, and wouldn't you know it but I was in some of the files. That got messy.



I know what site you are referring to and I also saw the log being posted and I was surprised at how paranoid three of the mods were so that explained why I had problems here. It made me glad all of them were demodded. We don't want anyone here who is going to be modding other members on other sites and then read into things here they post that are not even there or wanting to punish them for stuff they do elsewhere. Those people should not be mods.


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14 Jan 2017, 5:12 pm

DW a Mom (NT) was a moderator but then stepped down because she got busy with life and her kids needed her more.


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14 Jan 2017, 5:17 pm

I think we should have some conservative mods.


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14 Jan 2017, 6:42 pm

nurseangela wrote:
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alex wrote:
I think part of the problem is due to initially inadvertent offensiveness. I've noticed conservative members make statements that are incredibly offensive to a group of people but when others try to explain why those statements are offensive, the conservative members will just repeat their previous statements without stopping to try to understand things from the other point of view.

Specifically, I've witnessed a lot of offensive statements about transgender people. It's clear that the posters don't even realize how offensive they're being. So other members attack what those posters are saying.

It's ok to attack a belief. If someone believes gay people shouldn't get married, you can attack that belief. If your belief is due to your religion, then be prepared to have your religion attacked as well.

There are plenty of conservative posters who make well-reasoned logical arguments that are based on facts. But there are a larger number of people I've seen who just post arguments that are full of holes (and really aren't even valid arguments). Their citations (if they even post them) are usually from illegitimate or fake news sites that seem to exist solely to push a certain point of view.

Generally when liberals post faulty arguments that aren't based on facts, it's about gun control or something else that doesn't actually contain bigotry against another group of people. So they don't foment as much of a negative environment, even if what they're saying is wrong. There's a difference between attacking someone's beliefs (such as their religion or politics) and attacking a person for who they are (such as their sexual orientation or gender identity).

You said it far better than I could have. Thanks...


I also don't see where it says here that it is ok to harass another member by sending them PM's calling them a "Crazy b***h". Do I need to get my glasses on? Is it somewhere in microscopic print and I'm just missing it?

I take that back - you called me an "Evil b***h". And I sure the hell know that I'm not EVIL! : - P

Really...