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22 Aug 2020, 12:15 am

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That reminds me of the advert "A mind is a terrible thing to waste."


Ah, that lead to Ministry's "The Mind Is a Terrible Thing to Taste".

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I know I'm pedantic, but how can an idea be idiotic? Ideas are concepts. Idiot is a human term used to describe a level of IQ. An idea can be wrong, or faulty, or unsound, or I suppose even crazy, but idiot is a human quality.

A person can be idiotic, or an idiotic person can have idiotic thoughts in their own mind, but an idea on its own can't be idiotic if not attached to a person.

Yes I'm anal about language. :)



I would replace anal with knowledgeable: you're raising the bar higher than a lot of people are willing to go, since most don't seem to understand that "thought" and "idea" have a different meaning.

My experience: avoid pointing it out on the internet or you'll be accused of being an anal language nazi, splitting hairs etc. There's always "semantics!" thrown as an insult or to mean that it's not important: one of the strangest bastardizations of language I've seen lately.


Isn't it mandatory, on an aspie website? :scratch:



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22 Aug 2020, 12:17 am

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I think the rules are fair. I've been endorsing the rules all along, and hoping that people will understand personal attacks and personal accountability.

I'm still confused how "White Supremacist" isn't derogatory, assuming that the person isn't one.

I would find it derogatory to be labelled by words that associate me with that ideology, just like it would be derogatory to call someone a sex worker OR a whore, if they weren't one.



A sex worker is someone who makes money off their body or anything sexual including fetish. You don't need to be a prostitute or go to a strip club to be one. If you do live cams and do sexual things and get paid for it, you are a sex worker.

Nothing wrong with that.


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22 Aug 2020, 12:19 am

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I think the rules are fair. I've been endorsing the rules all along, and hoping that people will understand personal attacks and personal accountability.

I'm still confused how "White Supremacist" isn't derogatory, assuming that the person isn't one.

I would find it derogatory to be labelled by words that associate me with that ideology, just like it would be derogatory to call someone a sex worker OR a whore, if they weren't one.

if someone is spreading lies about someone that's a different thing. it doesn't fall under the personal attacks rule, it falls under whatever rule there is about not spreading lies about other people


I still don't understand why applying any label to another person (or group) in a discussion is permitted...In theory people should be addressing what was posted, and responding to the message, not directing a responce\attack at the person who posted it because they disagree with the message but cannot refute it.



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22 Aug 2020, 12:20 am

alex wrote:
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I think the rules are fair. I've been endorsing the rules all along, and hoping that people will understand personal attacks and personal accountability.

I'm still confused how "White Supremacist" isn't derogatory, assuming that the person isn't one.

I would find it derogatory to be labelled by words that associate me with that ideology, just like it would be derogatory to call someone a sex worker OR a whore, if they weren't one.

if someone is spreading lies about someone that's a different thing. it doesn't fall under the personal attacks rule, it falls under whatever rule there is about not spreading lies about other people


Thank you for clarifying. That's been a huge issue here, and I've been trying to have it addressed.
I have seen "lies" as a defamation of character, which is like personal attacks or personal insults.
I don't see the word "lies" in the rules, but I'm glad lies aren't allowed.
I will continue to report those problems.


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22 Aug 2020, 12:22 am

League_Girl wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
I think the rules are fair. I've been endorsing the rules all along, and hoping that people will understand personal attacks and personal accountability.

I'm still confused how "White Supremacist" isn't derogatory, assuming that the person isn't one.

I would find it derogatory to be labelled by words that associate me with that ideology, just like it would be derogatory to call someone a sex worker OR a whore, if they weren't one.



A sex worker is someone who makes money off their body or anything sexual including fetish. You don't need to be a prostitute or go to a strip club to be one. If you do live cams and do sexual things and get paid for it, you are a sex worker.

Nothing wrong with that.


I'm aware of what a sex worker is. If the person isn't one, they aren't one.


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22 Aug 2020, 12:22 am

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I like the song “Thanks for the Memories.

It doesn’t mean WP doesn’t have a future.


If you don't like raunch, don't read the spoiler.
If you read it and get offended,
You are an "Idiot". :P
I would prefer the song: Thanks for the mammaries. ;)


Hmmm, the "Spoiler" doesn't work for me, any longer.
If you want to read what is in there, you will have to quote it.

I wouldn't bother.
It isn't worth the effort. ;)

Edit: The spoiler is working again.
Those pesky admin gremlins at work, I'm sure of that. :mrgreen:



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22 Aug 2020, 12:24 am

Pepe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I like the song “Thanks for the Memories.

It doesn’t mean WP doesn’t have a future.


If you don't like raunch, don't read the spoiler.
If you read it and get offended,
You are an "Idiot". :P
I would prefer the song: Thanks for the mammaries. ;)


Hmmm, the "Spoiler" doesn't work for me, any longer.
If you want to read what is in there, you will have to quote it.

I wouldn't bother.
It isn't worth the effort. ;)


i'll have to fix that. in trying to speed things up, i removed some things that may be more necessary than i thought


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22 Aug 2020, 12:26 am

Alex: Because you haven't been here in a while, you might not be aware of how things degenerated lately. Most of us are here because we're autistic and many of us aren't even American. I block everything about American politics right now and don't set foot in the PPR.

Yet, these feuds and petty grudges created on political grounds have been spilling all over the forum, including the Haven and the rest of us can't use it for its intended purpose without every other thread being derailed into endless, repetitive and violent arguments and downright harassment (some people were indeed threatened with physical violence). It's enough to disagree with someone on non-political issues to be called a snowflake, a Nazi or even a racist.

There has also been a serious problem with the way very young people and those lower functioning are being treated, which included various forms of invalidation, insults and being told to their faces that their opinions and experiences don't matter due to their age or level of impairment.

So a lot of people left or found a home on other Autistic fora. And it's usually the polite, articulate ones who contributed greatly to keeping this place together.

Don't you think these are serious issues? Do you want non-Americans and those who refuse to participate in this circus and use this place for its intended purpose to just leave?


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22 Aug 2020, 12:28 am

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Alex: Because you haven't been here in a while, you might not be aware of how things degenerated lately. Most of us are here because we're autistic and many of us aren't even American. I block everything about American politics right now and don't set foot in the PPR.

Yet, these feuds and petty grudges created on political grounds have been spilling all over the forum, including the Haven and the rest of us can't use the forum for its intended purpose without every other thread being derailed into endless, repetitive and violent arguments and downright harassment (some people were indeed threatened with physical violence). It's enough to disagree with someone on non-political issues to be called a snowflake, a Nazi or even a racist.

There has also been a serious problem with the way very young people and those lower functioning are being treated, which included various forms of invalidation, insults and being told to their faces that their opinions and experiences don't matter due to their age or level of impairment.

So a lot of people left or found a home on other Autistic fora. And it's usually the polite, articulate ones who contributed greatly to keeping this place together.

Don't you think these are serious issues? Do you want non-Americans and those who refuse to participate in this circus and use this place for its intended purpose to just leave?


Well i think we should do whatever we can to stop that from happening to be honest.


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22 Aug 2020, 12:30 am

Thank you, this has been the purpose of this thread from the start and some people here really made an effort to mend the fences and find solutions.


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22 Aug 2020, 12:33 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
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I think the rules are fair. I've been endorsing the rules all along, and hoping that people will understand personal attacks and personal accountability.

I'm still confused how "White Supremacist" isn't derogatory, assuming that the person isn't one.

I would find it derogatory to be labelled by words that associate me with that ideology, just like it would be derogatory to call someone a sex worker OR a whore, if they weren't one.

if someone is spreading lies about someone that's a different thing. it doesn't fall under the personal attacks rule, it falls under whatever rule there is about not spreading lies about other people


Thank you for clarifying. That's been a huge issue here, and I've been trying to have it addressed.
I have seen "lies" as a defamation of character, which is like personal attacks or personal insults.
I don't see the word "lies" in the rules, but I'm glad lies aren't allowed.
I will continue to report those problems.

Unless they vote or like trump or any other republican right. Then it’s not lies. :roll:
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22 Aug 2020, 12:35 am

BenderRodriguez wrote:
Yet, these feuds and petty grudges created on political grounds have been spilling all over the forum, including the Haven and the rest of us can't use it for its intended purpose without every other thread being derailed into endless, repetitive and violent arguments and downright harassment (some people were indeed threatened with physical violence). It's enough to disagree with someone on non-political issues to be called a snowflake, a Nazi or even a racist.


I think the term Nazi should be added to the derogatory list. Sure some people have expressed white nationalist sympathies consciously or not, but no one here is spouting off Nazi rhetoric. The term has very specific historic context that no one here supports. Obviously is an actual Nazi shows up in their full infamy than yeah.

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There has also been a serious problem with the way very young people and those lower functioning are being treated, which included various forms of invalidation, insults and being told to their faces that their opinions and experiences don't matter due to their age or level of impairment.


Agreed. The mean age of WP users seems to have gone up since I took a break back in 2017.



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22 Aug 2020, 12:35 am

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:
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I still maintain it's all about understanding the rules, reporting issues, and having them addressed as soon as possible.



I'd still like to know if it's personal attack to call someone a White supremacist , Nazi etc for being on the right


Of course it is. It's libel and defamation of character to make uneducated guesses or generalisations about another person, especially someone who has asked you to stop. It's an insult to suggest a member is affiliated with a hate group, or that they have committed mass kidnap, torture, and genocide. The people who said that refused to provide any evidence because none exists. The definition of a bigot is a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions. I hope the bigotry and prejudice will stop, so we can get back to the business of being a support site.


No offense Isabella , I'd like to hear that from a mod as personal attacks like that appear to be ignored thus actively encouraged.


Not only ignored,
It is tolerated. :roll:



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22 Aug 2020, 12:41 am

Feyokien wrote:
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Yet, these feuds and petty grudges created on political grounds have been spilling all over the forum, including the Haven and the rest of us can't use it for its intended purpose without every other thread being derailed into endless, repetitive and violent arguments and downright harassment (some people were indeed threatened with physical violence). It's enough to disagree with someone on non-political issues to be called a snowflake, a Nazi or even a racist.


I think the term Nazi should be added to the derogatory list. Sure some people have expressed white nationalist sympathies consciously or not


To some on this site, expressing the opinion that all people should be treated equally is interpreted as "white supremecy", with accusations of "racism" and "white supremecy" against the person who posted that "radical" thought.



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the moderators are doing their best to make the community positive. I don't know the context of what happened with you league girl. You'd have to appeal to them if you have an issue with it. But racism is pretty common in america. most people have done racist things at some point in their lives with or without realizing it.


If racism is that common, then I hope it can become a non-issue unless clearly racist or inappropriate comments are made.

Going out of one's way to call another person racist is hurtful, especially when it's meant to demean the person's character. If the person was truly racist, and there was evidence to support the claim, I'd assume they would have been banned by the moderators long ago.


I wish your opinion was the reality but the fact of the matter is that casual racism (soft white supremacism if you prefer) is common and woven into the fabric of western society. I wouldn't want someone warned for posting that they don't think indigenous Americans or black people haven't contributed to building our society because it's likely what they were taught in school but I find it appalling for someone referring to that attitude as racist to receive any punishment whatsoever because all they've done is called that attitude what it is.

Since this community exists to support a community where eccentric ideas are more common than average I wouldn't want posters banned for expressing ideas that are outside of the mainstream, even if they're moderately offensive. That said, we should still be entitled to express objective truths even if they are inconvenient or have the potential to ruffle feathers. Having one's opinion labelled as racist by another poster for expressing a racist view shouldn't ever warrant a warning, since when was speaking the truth punishable? Since when was this community opposed to the truth being spoken? Especially in PPR where a lot of leeway is (and should be) given to all sides.

If the official stance is that racism isn't tolerated than we need to work to ensure that's actually the truth. We can't claim we don't if we actually do. (For that matter, considering how common and widespread casual racism is, perhaps we should take a moment to reflect that we might need to be officially tolerant of it to a degree so that we don't end up like my high school's anti-bullying position which was officially to not tolerate it but to basically refuse to record or acknowledge it so that officially it didn't happen even on days where someone left in an ambulance. Being officially tolerant of it doesn't mean as a community tolerating it, it just means that posters don't receive official sanction, they just have to deal with having other posters criticize their views.)

People who espouse 'soft white supremacist' views often like to insist that only card-carrying Nazis count, but that's dishonestly redefining the term so that they don't have to reflect on the positions they openly espouse. Kowtowing to political correctness because some posters might have their feelings hurt doesn't seem reasonable, especially when racism is an issue that directly impacts this community. PoC are less likely to be diagnosed, less likely to receive support and less likely to have pursuing help covered by insurance. How can we be genuinely welcoming when there's a handful of posters who peddle in racist stereotypes on a daily basis?

Yes, that fixation on posting a nasty news story involving black offenders that a few posters have is what I'm talking about; especially when they use those stories to reinforce their stereotypes that allow them to conclude any issues those communities face are entirely their own fault and not at all connected to ongoing systemic discrimination.

No, that stuff doesn't warrant a warning, but it does warrant allowing posters to call it what it is.


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