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23 Aug 2020, 4:00 pm

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It’s a word that literally was used to send the message “you’re” subhuman, we own you.” So even using it in any context is worse than any other word I can think of. Even PoC who aren’t black should never use it.

Now I understand how a black American in Russia got so triggered when hearing the word негр ("nyegr") - despite it being a neutral descriptive word for a native Russian speaker, with no such connotations or intentions at all.

We come from diverse cultural backgrounds. We need such things clarified, not judged.

We've got one of those. Niggard.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/niggard

It's also derogatory, but has nothing to do with race.

Just imagine someone picking that word to use and then people get all offended so the person pulls out a dictionary to defend their use of the word and people don't buy it.

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23 Aug 2020, 4:01 pm

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

Dredging up up old irrelevant posts and the following statement are what triggered my sarcastic reply

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It was an extremely racially insensitive remark, to compare the n-word (its historical context) to being called a white supremacist .... , but Sly may not have understood that.

Why? I was asking for context (which turned out to be a bad idea) and I am trying to understand Sly's side and encourage him to claim his own voice. Earlier in the thread I made both of these statements last night:

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Has Sly ever actually supported white nationalist groups verbally? Are his responses meant as a critique to how some people perceive 'the Left' to be pure.

Sly I think this would be a good time to explain your point of view carefully and calmly as you can.

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That is a racial slur that evokes a very troubling past leading into the present. I don't agree with Sly's political stances or his methods, but I just spoke with my wife a little and she reminded me of Sly's history. He's had a really rough time in life by his own account (which is all we can go off of). He describes himself as a centrist (I think or others do?) who has be mistreated by 'liberals' in his life and accepted by 'conservatives'. He seems to trust right wing news sources more. I'm not sure he endorses hate groups even though his actions could be interpreted that way. The problem may be poor choices of 'attack' (i.e. posting a picture of an armed group of black americans)/lack of communication and people 'pouncing on him'. I'm not sure though, and I don't know the full history of this long ongoing feud.

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I think it actually pointed out how hurt and offended Sly felt

I get that. It was just a poor analogy even if they're both offensive. They're offensive in very different ways, could have used a term like Stalinist/communist/socialist etc to make his point. I'm not holding it against Sly, he's feeling very cornered and people have been mistreating/misunderstanding (on purpose or not) him consistently. You know my position if you've been reading the entire thread. I think throwing terms like Nazi/Neo-Nazi around casually should get moderator action. And to add to my thoughts, people probably shouldn't throw words like white supremacist around casually either, I'm not saying they are in all cases.

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23 Aug 2020, 4:01 pm

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While of course people in other countries may be unaware of these things, i think it’s their responsibility to look into the history if they’re going to argue whether or not someone is racist.

But like as I said, slavery was very recent, legalized racism was even more recent and black people are still victims of racism on a daily basis.

So if you grew up in America you very likely are racist in at least some way. And it’s our responsibility to try to be introspective and challenge those believes in ourselves and in others.

Many of us here have expressed that we are constantly trying to understand all of the social rules, but as autists there's a big learning curve. Particularly with topics where the rules are constantly evolving.

For example, earlier in this thread it was stated that using the word "female" meant you were an incel. This is the type of nuance that they don't teach you in history books. It's the type of thing you may learn with a lot of social experience. I would hate to think it would be considered okay for a member to be proclaimed as an incel for using the word "female", without anyone ever taking the time to explain the connotation to them. Not only because it is distressing to know you've caused offense without understanding why, but because it detracts from the very serious designation of incel behavior.

So with all due respect, while I agree that we should all try our best to be cognizant, it seems ableist to expect us all to know the social rules given that this is an ASD site. Instead can we consider the approach I (and others) have suggested, of calmly explaining why the person was offensive?

Whaaaat? People say female all the time. And male.

Most people don't even know what an incel is.

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23 Aug 2020, 4:03 pm

And whats more Alex you have given the green light for members to attack Sly in The Haven :twisted:

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23 Aug 2020, 4:04 pm

League_Girl wrote:

Drake wrote:

magz wrote:

alex wrote:

We've got one of those. Niggard.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/niggard

It's also derogatory, but has nothing to do with race.

Just imagine someone picking that word to use and then people get all offended so the person pulls out a dictionary to defend their use of the word and people don't buy it.

I know that word because I saw it used in a skit, and you can imagine in what way. The black guy in the skit just looked totally confused though.

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23 Aug 2020, 4:04 pm

I think one can make racists statements without actually being racist if that makes sense.

Mods removing posts Alex makes? Seriously? Has this ever happened before?

I know Alex used to get warnings from a moderator here. :lol:

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23 Aug 2020, 4:05 pm

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

alex wrote:

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

Do PoC get more offended at this word being used that Sly being called *insert you choice of derogatory statement* :?:

No one is calling sly less-than-human, no one is calling sly things that bring up the recent history of his ancestors being enslaved.

I think you'll will find that a fair few members here including myself see racists as sub-human , no one here sees PoC as sub-human. They would be crucified for it and rightly so. As the site seems devoid of racists, members tend to pick on things that are not racist and treat them as if they are.

So in my opinion and maybe some others you did infer that Sly is sub human with my definitions.

You are a high profile member of the autistic community so may have so clout and influence and have openly declared one of the members here racist ( with your personal view of racism and language usage ) which could have detrimental effects.

I personally think you are bang out of order and need to retract that statement and apologise for the mistake.
I know your opinion deems all white people racist so why was there a need to single out one member if all whites are racist.

You have different definitions to me, but as it's your site , your rules , I can only disagree with you.

If I was a mod I would remove your post.

I've been pretty blunt about that I don't see white supremacists/white nationalists/western chauvinists to be subhuman, I just find many of their ideas to be toxic to the social fabric.

People who hold those views are still human, they're still entitled to be parts of communities, they're still entitled to basic rights and human dignity. They're just not entitled to be above criticism or to make public spaces safe-spaces for their views. You're entitled to call them on their s**t even if they're not used to facing intolerance to casual racism or expressions of support for or denial of systemic racism.

They'll get hurt because they're often not used to facing the reality that that stuff is a form of white supremacism. They'll think of white supremacism as goosestepping Nazis and not the people who were party members but never got blood on their hands even though it was those people who allowed that stuff to happen. It's uncomfortable to face the reality of contributing to this problem and it hurts one's ego in the short term, but just like how muscles grow sometimes you need to hurt a little before you can grow.

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23 Aug 2020, 4:08 pm

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

And whats more Alex you have given the green light for members to attack Sly in The Haven :twisted:

No he hasn't, I'd be happy to discuss those matters via PM instead of responding in that thread. It's difficult to do that when a poster is both attacking me and has PMs off.

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23 Aug 2020, 4:10 pm

League_Girl wrote:

Just imagine someone picking that word to use and then people get all offended so the person pulls out a dictionary to defend their use of the word and people don't buy it.

There was once a man beaten to death because the mob didn't know the difference between a pediatrician and a pedophile.

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23 Aug 2020, 4:10 pm

How do you turn off PM feature or does that happen when you add them as a foe?

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23 Aug 2020, 4:12 pm

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

You are a high profile member of the autistic community so may have so clout and influence and have openly declared one of the members here racist ( with your personal view of racism and language usage ) which could have detrimental effects.

I personally think you are bang out of order and need to retract that statement and apologise for the mistake.

I agree with this statement firmly.

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23 Aug 2020, 4:12 pm

League_Girl wrote:

I think one can make racists statements without actually being racist if that makes sense.

It's pretty fair to point out that many people who express casual racism don't necessarily hold 'white supremacist ideologies', they just accept the norms of their society. That's why they don't get the criticism and get offended, but it's hard to have a reasonable conversation with someone who has a chip on their shoulder because they believe they're being called a genocidal monster when they're actually being called something far less severe.

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23 Aug 2020, 4:12 pm

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League_Girl wrote:

Just imagine someone picking that word to use and then people get all offended so the person pulls out a dictionary to defend their use of the word and people don't buy it.

There was once a man beaten to death because the mob didn't know the difference between a pediatrician and a pedophile.

Seriously?

A pediatrician is just a word for child doctor. How strange.

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23 Aug 2020, 4:13 pm

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Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

I agree with this statement firmly.

As do I.

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23 Aug 2020, 4:13 pm

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Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

And whats more Alex you have given the green light for members to attack Sly in The Haven :twisted:

No he hasn't, I'd be happy to discuss those matters via PM instead of responding in that thread. It's difficult to do that when a poster is both attacking me and has PMs off.

What's there to explain , you think he's a White Supremacist , Alex categorically says he's a racist. Give the guy a break in his own thread. The kangaroo court has spoken.

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23 Aug 2020, 4:16 pm

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Feyokien wrote:

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

I agree with this statement firmly.

As do I.

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