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27 Jan 2023, 12:40 pm

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The public school system is a roll of the dice.

There are very good public schools....and there are very bad public schools.

Ya Texas does not have good schools where I live.


Texas seems like a pretty wealthy place, does none of that money make it into the public school system?


Texas does not tax income so school districts reply primarily on property taxes with little state funding there. If you have a property rich community, then the schools get money. If the community has low property and income, then the schools are starved for funding. This occurs in quite a few wealthy states in the USA.


I wonder if that's intentional, a poorly funded public school system is an incentive towards private or homeschooling.


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27 Jan 2023, 12:45 pm

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I live in a wealthy area and the schools are starved for money because we have to send our taxes to the poor schools in other parts of the state.This is called the Robin Hood Plan.


It's kind of a one-two punch. First there's the relying solely on property taxes, then there's the Robin Hood Plan. The Robin Hood Plan might help the least well-funded have access to some funds, but really they need to grow the pot (so to speak) by adding additional revenue streams.

If the core problem is inadequate funding, all they're doing is spreading the problem out. Something like their Robin Hood Plan seems like an interim solution, not a long-term one.


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27 Jan 2023, 1:28 pm

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I live in a wealthy area and the schools are starved for money because we have to send our taxes to the poor schools in other parts of the state.This is called the Robin Hood Plan.


It's kind of a one-two punch. First there's the relying solely on property taxes, then there's the Robin Hood Plan. The Robin Hood Plan might help the least well-funded have access to some funds, but really they need to grow the pot (so to speak) by adding additional revenue streams.

If the core problem is inadequate funding, all they're doing is spreading the problem out. Something like their Robin Hood Plan seems like an interim solution, not a long-term one.

well the problem with adding additional tax sources for the school is the Evangelicals because people like myself think casinos and legal pot would be good sources but that wont happen anytime soon most likely.There is a effort right now to legalize casinos and I think that would help.I dont know if the poorly funded thing is intentional or not but there's no way school finance will be solved anytime soon.



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27 Jan 2023, 3:51 pm

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I live in a wealthy area and the schools are starved for money because we have to send our taxes to the poor schools in other parts of the state.This is called the Robin Hood Plan.


It's kind of a one-two punch. First there's the relying solely on property taxes, then there's the Robin Hood Plan. The Robin Hood Plan might help the least well-funded have access to some funds, but really they need to grow the pot (so to speak) by adding additional revenue streams.

If the core problem is inadequate funding, all they're doing is spreading the problem out. Something like their Robin Hood Plan seems like an interim solution, not a long-term one.

well the problem with adding additional tax sources for the school is the Evangelicals because people like myself think casinos and legal pot would be good sources but that wont happen anytime soon most likely.There is a effort right now to legalize casinos and I think that would help.I dont know if the poorly funded thing is intentional or not but there's no way school finance will be solved anytime soon.


Those would probably provide enough to leave income tax off the table.

What I mean by intentional is that the GOP seems to be interested in eroding public education and funding for it, while trying to advance various sorts of private education. Policies like tax exemptions for families that use private schools, vouchers for charter schools, etc.

They don't appear to view funding for public education as a priority because those problems help make their case for what they support instead; not addressing that problem might be a good strategy for advancing their goals even if it hurts people as a consequence.


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27 Jan 2023, 5:23 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
I live in a wealthy area and the schools are starved for money because we have to send our taxes to the poor schools in other parts of the state.This is called the Robin Hood Plan.


It's kind of a one-two punch. First there's the relying solely on property taxes, then there's the Robin Hood Plan. The Robin Hood Plan might help the least well-funded have access to some funds, but really they need to grow the pot (so to speak) by adding additional revenue streams.

If the core problem is inadequate funding, all they're doing is spreading the problem out. Something like their Robin Hood Plan seems like an interim solution, not a long-term one.

well the problem with adding additional tax sources for the school is the Evangelicals because people like myself think casinos and legal pot would be good sources but that wont happen anytime soon most likely.There is a effort right now to legalize casinos and I think that would help.I dont know if the poorly funded thing is intentional or not but there's no way school finance will be solved anytime soon.


Those would probably provide enough to leave income tax off the table.

What I mean by intentional is that the GOP seems to be interested in eroding public education and funding for it, while trying to advance various sorts of private education. Policies like tax exemptions for families that use private schools, vouchers for charter schools, etc.

They don't appear to view funding for public education as a priority because those problems help make their case for what they support instead; not addressing that problem might be a good strategy for advancing their goals even if it hurts people as a consequence.

Oh okay.Well Texas is never going to have a income tax because of the constituional amendment that was passed which prohibited the state from ever passing a income tax.Texas would never get income tax even if we really needed one.



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27 Jan 2023, 5:37 pm

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
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I live in a wealthy area and the schools are starved for money because we have to send our taxes to the poor schools in other parts of the state.This is called the Robin Hood Plan.


It's kind of a one-two punch. First there's the relying solely on property taxes, then there's the Robin Hood Plan. The Robin Hood Plan might help the least well-funded have access to some funds, but really they need to grow the pot (so to speak) by adding additional revenue streams.

If the core problem is inadequate funding, all they're doing is spreading the problem out. Something like their Robin Hood Plan seems like an interim solution, not a long-term one.

well the problem with adding additional tax sources for the school is the Evangelicals because people like myself think casinos and legal pot would be good sources but that wont happen anytime soon most likely.There is a effort right now to legalize casinos and I think that would help.I dont know if the poorly funded thing is intentional or not but there's no way school finance will be solved anytime soon.


Those would probably provide enough to leave income tax off the table.

What I mean by intentional is that the GOP seems to be interested in eroding public education and funding for it, while trying to advance various sorts of private education. Policies like tax exemptions for families that use private schools, vouchers for charter schools, etc.

They don't appear to view funding for public education as a priority because those problems help make their case for what they support instead; not addressing that problem might be a good strategy for advancing their goals even if it hurts people as a consequence.

Oh okay.Well Texas is never going to have a income tax because of the constituional amendment that was passed which prohibited the state from ever passing a income tax.Texas would never get income tax even if we really needed one.


The only issue is that even a constitutional amendment can't prevent a second amendment from repealing the initial one. Thankfully no matter how deeply ingrained something is, if it's strongly opposed by enough people some mechanism will always exist.

Meaning, a severe enough long-term crisis could potentially change things, but it's (hopefully) unlikely that such circumstances will exist.

That's one thing to remember about severe political crises, a state that fails to respond adequately will end up losing legitimacy, so when/if things go really bad they almost always start to consider previously unthinkable solutions. A citizens themselves start doing the same, whether it's major structural reforms or even replacing what they view as a failed state through violence.

Not to suggest I believe circumstances are anywhere close to that, but just broadly speaking.


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31 Jan 2023, 8:21 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
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I live in a wealthy area and the schools are starved for money because we have to send our taxes to the poor schools in other parts of the state.This is called the Robin Hood Plan.


It's kind of a one-two punch. First there's the relying solely on property taxes, then there's the Robin Hood Plan. The Robin Hood Plan might help the least well-funded have access to some funds, but really they need to grow the pot (so to speak) by adding additional revenue streams.

If the core problem is inadequate funding, all they're doing is spreading the problem out. Something like their Robin Hood Plan seems like an interim solution, not a long-term one.

well the problem with adding additional tax sources for the school is the Evangelicals because people like myself think casinos and legal pot would be good sources but that wont happen anytime soon most likely.There is a effort right now to legalize casinos and I think that would help.I dont know if the poorly funded thing is intentional or not but there's no way school finance will be solved anytime soon.


Those would probably provide enough to leave income tax off the table.

What I mean by intentional is that the GOP seems to be interested in eroding public education and funding for it, while trying to advance various sorts of private education. Policies like tax exemptions for families that use private schools, vouchers for charter schools, etc.

They don't appear to view funding for public education as a priority because those problems help make their case for what they support instead; not addressing that problem might be a good strategy for advancing their goals even if it hurts people as a consequence.

Well even in Texas many small town republican politicians are against school choice.The GOP in Texas is not unanimous in favor of school choice or at least it wasnt years ago.Texas will never have a state income tax in my lifetime maybe when all the oil and gas runs out it might.



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30 Apr 2023, 4:19 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
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I live in a wealthy area and the schools are starved for money because we have to send our taxes to the poor schools in other parts of the state.This is called the Robin Hood Plan.


It's kind of a one-two punch. First there's the relying solely on property taxes, then there's the Robin Hood Plan. The Robin Hood Plan might help the least well-funded have access to some funds, but really they need to grow the pot (so to speak) by adding additional revenue streams.

If the core problem is inadequate funding, all they're doing is spreading the problem out. Something like their Robin Hood Plan seems like an interim solution, not a long-term one.

well the problem with adding additional tax sources for the school is the Evangelicals because people like myself think casinos and legal pot would be good sources but that wont happen anytime soon most likely.There is a effort right now to legalize casinos and I think that would help.I dont know if the poorly funded thing is intentional or not but there's no way school finance will be solved anytime soon.


Those would probably provide enough to leave income tax off the table.

What I mean by intentional is that the GOP seems to be interested in eroding public education and funding for it, while trying to advance various sorts of private education. Policies like tax exemptions for families that use private schools, vouchers for charter schools, etc.

They don't appear to view funding for public education as a priority because those problems help make their case for what they support instead; not addressing that problem might be a good strategy for advancing their goals even if it hurts people as a consequence.

Update to this thread: The rural Republicans in the Texas House defeated the school choice bill so it appears that school vouchers were defeated this time around in the state.