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23 Apr 2025, 3:29 am

^^^ No doubt! and yes, bosses are creative, and manipulative in getting rid of and/or gaslighting staff who they decide they don't like anymore.



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23 Apr 2025, 1:26 pm

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^^^ No doubt! and yes, bosses are creative, and manipulative in getting rid of and/or gaslighting staff who they decide they don't like anymore.


Definitely going through something similar right now. In an environment as union stewart and a 3rd child on the way in a couple weeks, I am having some clashes with the GM where I work. Response from him: PIP. Why? I believe because they do not want to pay the top up or allow me to collect EI.

When it comes to gaslighting, one has to be careful who they talk to. A supervisor or manager will do whatever they can to make you feel like they have "dirt" on you. They will also isolate you in order to make you believe that other employees do not support you (they forget my union experience). And if you file a grievance on such matters: document, document, document. Be proactive and not reactive when you see a concern pop up. Being reactive gives them plausible deniability and the arbitrator may end up viewing you negatively if a grievance gets that far.


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23 Apr 2025, 4:45 pm

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Be proactive and not reactive when you see a concern pop up. Being reactive gives them plausible deniability and the arbitrator may end up viewing you negatively if a grievance gets that far.


Boss's simply make your workplace stress unbearable. Once you are in the crosshairs your best option is to look for another comparable job but (yes) stick it out as long as possible till you find something else.



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24 Apr 2025, 2:04 pm

cyberdora wrote:
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Be proactive and not reactive when you see a concern pop up. Being reactive gives them plausible deniability and the arbitrator may end up viewing you negatively if a grievance gets that far.


Boss's simply make your workplace stress unbearable. Once you are in the crosshairs your best option is to look for another comparable job but (yes) stick it out as long as possible till you find something else.


Yep. A lot of jobs where I am are federal government service jobs. Depending on election results on Monday, I will get an idea of where things may be headed. However, one should note that some jobs here my require security clearances and the hiring and vetting process can be quite long as a result.

In the mean time, the best thing you can do is stay under the radar (if possible) and proactively respond to concerns if you see them pop up. Grieve an issue if it is clear it will hinder your performance or come up as a recordkeeping issue (very important depending on the jobs you apply for).

I already mentioned the toxic management behaviours. The OP has other threads that I may put some words in as it comes to coworkers and union reps.


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24 Apr 2025, 6:49 pm

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I already mentioned the toxic management behaviours. The OP has other threads that I may put some words in as it comes to coworkers and union reps.


Unions (at least in Australia) have little influence on the outcome of reporting workplace harassment from bosses/management. My wife works in government and pays 1.5% of her salary to the union largely so management are deterred from actions aimed at her position.



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26 Apr 2025, 10:29 am

cyberdora wrote:
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I already mentioned the toxic management behaviours. The OP has other threads that I may put some words in as it comes to coworkers and union reps.


Unions (at least in Australia) have little influence on the outcome of reporting workplace harassment from bosses/management. My wife works in government and pays 1.5% of her salary to the union largely so management are deterred from actions aimed at her position.


The unfortunate thing with unions here is that you are more limited in rights and settlements in the event of litigation. A judge might reward a higher amount of severance and damages if wrongful actions are proven compared to an arbitrator.


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26 Apr 2025, 5:48 pm

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The unfortunate thing with unions here is that you are more limited in rights and settlements in the event of litigation. A judge might reward a higher amount of severance and damages if wrongful actions are proven compared to an arbitrator.


Yes that's true, they do provide legal advice, just that they leave you to fight your own individual battles with management. Seen it happen before.



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27 Apr 2025, 8:42 am

cyberdora wrote:
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The unfortunate thing with unions here is that you are more limited in rights and settlements in the event of litigation. A judge might reward a higher amount of severance and damages if wrongful actions are proven compared to an arbitrator.


Yes that's true, they do provide legal advice, just that they leave you to fight your own individual battles with management. Seen it happen before.


Yep. And Human Rights Commission over human rights complaints may end up telling you to exhaust your union options first. Same with the Ministry of Labour over any hostile or toxic workplace complaint. Noone knows how truly on their own they are until government bodies ask "are you in a union?"

Any union stewart willing to stick their neck out for you probably ends up getting fired before you do, or if possible, transferred to another department/worksite.


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27 Apr 2025, 4:59 pm

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Yep. And Human Rights Commission over human rights complaints may end up telling you to exhaust your union options first. Same with the Ministry of Labour over any hostile or toxic workplace complaint. Noone knows how truly on their own they are until government bodies ask "are you in a union?"


We have a compliance requirement to watch HR videos (with a quiz) about workplace harassment. they make out that if you are being harassed by your boss to meet with them and if that doesn't work report it to HR. It's all fiction. I've been through it back in 2010 and all that happened is HR advises me to seek work elsewhere in the organisation. I took a package. Nothing happens to management. Of course if HR get enough complaints the "dirt" can be used against the senior person (if the time comes and they are no longer needed) but usually they are invulnerable. In the meantime subordinates who don't "fit in" to to the work culture become collateral damage.



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27 Apr 2025, 5:07 pm

I had a job where I put three years of work into an ongoing project, working my way up from a junior position to the point where I was leading the project. Then the company I was working for got bought out and the new owners moved my project to London. I didn't want to move, I couldn't live in London. I was assigned another project but it was a joke and I couldn't be bothered to put any effort into it because why would I? I spun my wheels there for a bit then had a bit of a breakdown and left.


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27 Apr 2025, 5:38 pm

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I had a job where I put three years of work into an ongoing project, working my way up from a junior position to the point where I was leading the project. Then the company I was working for got bought out and the new owners moved my project to London. I didn't want to move, I couldn't live in London. I was assigned another project but it was a joke and I couldn't be bothered to put any effort into it because why would I? I spun my wheels there for a bit then had a bit of a breakdown and left.


Sorry you went through that. Was the redeployment based on your skillset? companies often want experienced people who are "nueroplastic ninjas" (that's actually a corporate term) who can be redeployed like soldiers at short notice to manage new projects.



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28 Apr 2025, 6:57 pm

i'm afraid that if home depot has the nerve to tell me to get a doctor to sign a note that says that i am not allowed to lift over fifty pounds, and the doctor refuses to do it, then home depot will tell me: involuntary reclassification to Cashier, Pro Cashier, Customer Service, or Constructive Dismissal.

thinking about it makes me wanna puke.

esp since Cashier's supervisor is the same stupid lil girl supervisor i have right now.

on the other hand, supervisors often rotate, so whatever.

(rolls eyes)

i am just so scared of getting involuntary reclassification. (former Electrical associate) Hai said that "they" put him in Lumber against his will. due to autism, i am really scared of angry customers.



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29 Apr 2025, 11:41 am

Cashiers

Micromanaged by stupid lil girl
Standing in one spot all day long
Fast friendly accurate
Mich, ham, Lana, Bob
Credit
Recoveries
Have to tell head Cashier when they go to the litterboxes
Angry customers
Head Cashier observations
Counterfeit cash
Share register with annoying coworkers such as Janice
Warmly greet the customer, constantly talking