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29 Apr 2021, 2:23 pm

...to prevent the Balkanisation of France as they see it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... untry.html

Seems that some still serving officers are to be fired for the statement.




Paris Mayor stepped into the fray and agrees with the officers: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rance.html




An English translation of the original statement:

Mr. President,

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Government

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Parliament,

The hour is grave, France is in peril, several mortal dangers threaten her. We, who even after retirement, remain soldiers of France, cannot, in the present circumstances, remain indifferent to the fate of our beautiful country.

Our tricolor flags are not simply a piece of cloth, they symbolize the tradition, through the ages, of those who, regardless of their skin color or creed, have served France and given their lives for her. On these flags, we find in golden letters the words "Honneur et Patrie". Now, our honor today lies in denouncing the disintegration that is affecting our country.

This deterioration, through a certain anti-racism, has only one goal: to create on our soil a malaise, even a hatred between communities. Today, some speak of racialism, indigenism and decolonial theories, but through these terms it is the racial war that these hateful and fanatical supporters want. They despise our country, its traditions, its culture, and want to see it dissolve by tearing away its past and its history. Thus they attack, by means of statues, former military and civil glories by analyzing centuries old words.

This is a disintegration which, with Islamism and the suburban hordes, leads to the detachment of multiple parcels of the nation to transform them into territories subject to dogmas contrary to our constitution. However, each Frenchman, whatever his belief or his non-belief, is at home everywhere in France; there cannot and must not exist any city, any district where the laws of the Republic do not apply.

Delay, because hatred takes precedence over fraternity during demonstrations where the power uses the forces of order as auxiliary agents and scapegoats in front of French people in yellow vests expressing their despair. This while infiltrated and hooded individuals vandalize businesses and threaten these same forces of order. However, these forces are only applying the directives, sometimes contradictory, given by you, the government.

The dangers are rising, the violence is increasing day by day. Who would have predicted ten years ago that a teacher would one day be beheaded at the entrance of his school? Now, we, the servants of the Nation, who have always been ready to put our skin to the test - as our military status demanded - cannot be passive spectators of such actions.

Therefore, those who lead our country must imperatively find the necessary courage to eradicate these dangers. For this, it is often enough to apply without weakness the laws that already exist. Do not forget that, like us, a great majority of our fellow citizens is fed up with your wavering and guilty silences.

As Cardinal Mercier, Primate of Belgium, said: "When prudence is everywhere, courage is nowhere. "So, ladies and gentlemen, enough procrastination, the hour is serious, the work is colossal; do not waste time and know that we are ready to support the policies that will take into consideration the safeguard of the nation.

On the other hand, if nothing is undertaken, laxity will continue to spread inexorably in society, ultimately causing an explosion and the intervention of our active comrades in a perilous mission to protect our civilizational values and safeguard our compatriots on the national territory.

We can see that it is no longer time to procrastinate, otherwise tomorrow civil war will put an end to this growing chaos, and the dead, for which you will be responsible, will be counted in thousands.


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29 Apr 2021, 2:29 pm

I know where they might find a buffalo hat for a really good price.


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29 Apr 2021, 2:30 pm

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I know where they might find a buffalo hat for a really good price.


Hehe. I think this is a tad more serious than Q shaman though.


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29 Apr 2021, 2:32 pm

I guess it's not just the American right that's willing to threaten civil war in response to declining influence.


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29 Apr 2021, 2:34 pm

More on the French Fascists...

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29 Apr 2021, 5:56 pm

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30 Apr 2021, 9:44 am

https://www.rt.com/news/522518-france-l ... ary-court/

Eighteen French servicemen, who have been identified as signatories of a letter warning President Emmanuel Macron about a looming “civil war,” will come before a military court, the Armed Forces Chief of Staff said.

Each of the identified soldiers and officers would appear before a higher military council, the Armed Forces Chief of Staff, General Francois Lecointre, told Le Parisien. All of them would be subjected to “disciplinary sanctions,” with the harsher ones reserved for the most senior ranks, he added.

“I believe that the higher the responsibilities, the stronger the obligation of neutrality… is,” the general said. The chief of staff also said that those among the semi-retired generals who signed the controversial letter could potentially be forced to leave military service and go into full retirement.

“These generals will each appear before a higher military tribunal. Following this procedure, it will be the President of the Republic who will sign a decree on [their] retirement,” Lecointre said.


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30 Apr 2021, 4:42 pm

A bunch of reactionary French idiots with too many chevrons wrote:
French principles of democracy and religious equality are under threat! The solution is a military junta and purges of those damn dirty Muslims and their leftist allies! Purge until only the good, equality and democracy-loving centrists and conservatives are left! That will show the world the French people's commitment to freedom and justice!

I pray this plan crashes and burns.


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10 May 2021, 5:52 pm

Another letter sent by a group of active soldiers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ction.html

A group of serving French soldiers have published a new open letter warning Emmanuel Macron that the 'survival' of France is at stake after the President made 'concessions' to Islamism.

The letter published in the right-wing magazine Valeurs Actuelles (Today's Values) late on Sunday echoes the tone of a similar letter printed in the same magazine last month which also warned a civil war was brewing and called for military action against 'Islamists'.


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10 May 2021, 5:57 pm

The Reich Wing -- especially the French Reich wing -- is a toothless tiger: All roar and no bite.


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10 May 2021, 6:56 pm

Fnord wrote:
The Reich Wing -- especially the French Reich wing -- is a toothless tiger: All roar and no bite.


On what do you base that? Or is the wish father to the thought?


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And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
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10 May 2021, 7:11 pm

The timing of this seems odd. Macron is distinctly centrist compared to some previous French leaders (Mitterand, for example) so why the sudden fear of the left under his leadership? Or is that a false representation?



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10 May 2021, 7:50 pm

The impression that I'm getting is that this open letter was put forward by former generals of the French military and was endorsed by some serving French soldiers who now may face legal consequences:
French soldiers who warned of 'civil war' to face sanctions

Redd_Kross wrote:
The timing of this seems odd. Macron is distinctly centrist compared to some previous French leaders (Mitterand, for example) so why the sudden fear of the left under his leadership? Or is that a false representation?

The French center, or Macron at least, are decidedly economic conservatives (liberals/capitalists, whatever we're calling them these days). This, along with the center's Islamophobia, puts them at odds with the socialist, internationalist Left. Macron remains a staunch ally of Israel, and has used anti-semitism accusations to shut down criticism of Israel from French Muslims and the left, much as politicians in my own country do.

The French center and right are pushing the narrative that because French Muslims and (much of) the left are critical of Israel, they are also violently, radically, anti-semitic, pro-Islamist, and anti-Christian. Combined with anti-socialist rhetoric, they argue that the left are conspiring with French Muslims to: destroy capitalism, destroy democracy, destroy French culture, replace French whites with non-whites, and encourage separatism. Consider also Macron's condemnation of so-called 'Islamo-leftists' in academia, who supposedly work towards these same goals. It's all a front for cracking down on the left and critics of Israel.

As for the timing, I'd guess it has to do with the recent killing of French teacher Samuel Paty by an islamic terrorist, and the breakdown in French/Turkish relations in the last few years.


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11 May 2021, 3:48 pm

Mikah wrote:
Another letter sent by a group of active soldiers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ction.html

A group of serving French soldiers have published a new open letter warning Emmanuel Macron that the 'survival' of France is at stake after the President made 'concessions' to Islamism.
[...] 'Islamists'.

I don't exactly know what Islami-ism and Islamists are except pretenders of God's divinity. God does not conceede to abuse of France. Allah don't. I don't get most thing like the difference between Right and Left. I know however Qur'an and Wisdom pretty much.

I know Islamism is politisizing of Islam and Qur'an and abuse of God given rights.

Humans (us) are weak, we are not God. We need to listen to Generals whom are good reputated as our elders.


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11 May 2021, 10:12 pm

https://news.yahoo.com/french-governmen ... 39587.html

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The French government has blasted a new open letter by scores of serving French military personnel to Emmanuel Macron warning of impending civil war at the hands of Islamists as a “crude manoeuvre” by the far-Right.

Interior minister Gérald Darmanin dismissed the letter, which includes dire warnings of societal collapse and army intervention, as a blatant bid to boost the far-Right ahead of regional and presidential elections and called on the anonymous signatories to have the “bravery” to identify themselves.

In all, 145,000 people, a mixture of military personnel and civilians, had endorsed the second letter by Monday afternoon and 1.7 million people had read it. There are about 426,000 serving members of the French armed forces, including the Gendarmerie.

An initial letter released two weeks ago by a group of semi-retired generals and mostly retired officers made similar claims that France was heading for “disintegration” and “civil war” at the hands of Islamists and Leftists.

It was supported by Marine Le Pen, leader of the far-right National Rally and candidate in presidential elections in 12 months time.

Her party commands strong support from the armed forces, with one poll suggesting over 40 per cent of the military and 54 per cent of police officers voted for Ms Le Pen in the first round of the 2017 presidential election. She garnered 21 per cent from the wider electorate in round one.

The themes of immigration and security are dominating the French presidential pre-campaign after the murders in the past two weeks of a police officer by a drug dealer and a police employee by an Islamist who turned out to have arrived in France illegally from Tunisia a decade ago.

The armed forces are taking disciplinary action against at least 18 serving personnel, including four officers, who signed the first letter.

However, on Sunday, Valeurs Actuelles, a Right-wing magazine that published the initial appeal, released a second letter warning that France’s “survival is at stake” if more radical action is not taken to stop the rot.

The letter was penned by an unknown quantity of serving armed services personnel some of whom had seen active duty in France’s operations in Mali and Afghanistan and had taken part in Operation Sentinel, the anti-terrorist patrols in French streets.

“Some of us lost their comrades. They gave their lives to destroy the Islamism to which you make concessions on our soil,” they wrote.

As such, it went on, they are well placed to comment on the domestic situation. “It’s a professional assessment we are delivering. Because this downward spiral, we have seen it with our own eyes in many countries in crisis. It precedes collapse. It heralds chaos and violence,” they claimed.

“We have seen with our eyes the abandoned suburbs, the little deals with criminals. We witness the violence in our towns and villages…We see hatred of France and its history becoming the norm,” they wrote.

“Yes, if civil war breaks out, the army will keep order on its own soil because it will be asked to do so,” they reiterated.

“Civil war is brewing in France and you know it perfectly. The survival of our country is at stake.”

The text also compared the Macron administration to wartime collaborators with the Nazi occupiers and likened the officers who signed the first appeal to resistance fighters.

Those who sought to punish the "elders" who wrote the first letter were guilty of “cowardice, deceit, perversion”, it claimed.

On Monday, Ms Le Pen reacted by saying civil war "is brewing" during a visit to western France. "In any case, it is a risk. Of course, there is always a risk of civil war," she said, adding that she welcomed the second letter as she had the first.

"It is clearly not a call to insurrection," she said. "Otherwise I would not be supporting it."

Speaking to BFM TV on Monday, Mr Darmanin, the interior minister, blasted the serving soldiers who allegedly signed the letter as cowards.

“We’re talking about unnamed people. Is that bravery to be anonymous?,” he said.

“When you want to go into politics, you run for election,” he said, adding that the tribune was a “crude manoeuvre” to boost the far-Right little more than a month before regional elections in France and a year before a presidential ballot in which Mr Macron and Ms Le Pen are polling to face off in the second round.

The main instigators of the initial letter are alleged to have ties to far-Right, anti-immigration movements in France, as well as conspiracy theorists close to the Yellow Vest movement.

The first signatory, Jean-Pierre Fabre-Bernadac, ran security in the 1990s for the far-Right National Front - now called the National Rally. Another, Christian Piquemal, was stripped of his title as a four-star general after attending an anti-migrant rally in Calais.

Mr Darmanin said: “It appears we’re talking here about radicals who want to help the National Front (sic) win the elections.

“When you are brave, you give your name. I think I know what I’m talking about because I have several military people in my family. When you are a member of the armed forces, you don’t do this sort of thing in hiding.”

Bruno Le Maire, the finance minister, also blasted the latest appeal as the work of a few radicals who were harming the reputation of the bulk of the armed forces.

“I am deeply wounded because this damages part of our forces,” he said. “The people who risk their life on the ground keep quiet,” he said. “They have weapons in their hands and they fight the Islamists.”

French defence minister Florence Parly also responded on Monday, saying the letter "smacks of a vulgar political machination".

"You will have noted that this tribune uses the rhetoric, the tone and references of the far-Right. To what end? Surely to divide, split at a time when France needs to come together," she told reporters.

"What damages our Republic is when people attack our armed forces. Their neutrality is what allows the French to trust in their armed forces. Our soldiers are proud of that, the French are proud of it and I would like to reassert my faith in them."

The government was slow to react to the initial letter but polls suggest it has struck a chord.

One by Harris Interactive for LCI found that 58 per cent of those asked agreed with the letter’s conclusions and 73 per cent agreed with their view that “France is disintegrating”.


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