Why Are Right Wing Men So Sad?

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I feel understanding what motivates extremists helps with leading people away from those movements and debunking the arguments they commonly use.

It's helped with understanding when issues are being invented too, like say what was being discussed in this thread:
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When I started looking for discussion of the event on /pol/ and on some others it was clear what was occurring because posters were openly discussing it as a hoax and congratulating themselves on how they were getting more people involved.

It's also where the recent attempts at slandering members of that gay chorus as pedophiles was planned.

I enjoy visiting them whenever something big happens in the news. I don't know how much you can infer from the content there about the nature of the far right though. The chans are hubs of total lunacy and chaos - while I wouldn't disagree that there is a far right bent to the board as a whole, the sheer volume of contradictory and outright insane discussions would leave someone with a very confused idea of the far right if they went seeking it there.

It's definitely a place where anything you encounter should be taken with a tablespoon of salt, but certainly there are patterns that emerge.

And well if you just touch someone sexually without asking...when exactly did they get a chance to decide if they want to consent or not? Seems the 'no outward indication of non-consent means consent was given' is a pretty slippery slope. I had an incident on the bus like that, a guy sat by me and put his hand on my upper thigh, it was really creepy and yeah I kinda froze that hardly means I 'consented' just because I didn't give obvious outward non-consent.

Rather than being about the Left, kind of seems like the video is actually more relevant to Right wing groups. For example. A good portion of the video talks about people that use religion to virtue signal, arguably it is practically a main thesis. It actually specifically addresses something I have brought up before, in regards to beliefs of relying on charity over social programs, which I have presented the left wing argument in favour of social programs being that they are more effective at not having people fall through the cracks, and the preference of charity over them can be a narcistic preference for being able to claim ownership for causes that might appear really good. The right wing preference for charity being based in being able to claim a gold medal of feeding cute kids canned goods or a Christmas present, over a social program that everyone buys into and ensures that everyone has a basic level of living, and might have things that they actually need.

Pretty sure that it is a more right wing thing to have people just following their scripture to win social points, in the faces of people who might not be as financially able or might not be as predisposed to settle down with someone of the opposite sex to make god fearing babies.

Exactly, this is where guys are not taught that they should ask before doing something, and don't understand how scary that can be and might have them act in ways where said guys think doesn't make sense if they did not want it. And my understanding is that a common reasoning is that they believe needing to ask full disclosure before doing something is not sexy, and in many cases like pickup artists that I am pretty sure were mentioned in the video at the centre of this topic, increases the chances of "failure". Men need to be taught that being the type of person to respect boundaries ask before starting something (preferably in non creepy ways) can be really sexy. Even if that means there is a good chance they will be told no.

Women "freezing" during sexual harassment and/or assault is a common occurrence.

The lack of a hard "no" is absolutely NOT a "yes."

I've already pointed you in the direction of where to look. Read about it, if you have the stomach for it. Why are you so hung up on this? Do you still not understand what I was doing when I wrote that? Or did what I wrote hit a little close to home?

Ugh so many questions:



If the drinks are imbibed freely and not forced down the other's throat, then any consent given is valid.



Pestering someone, who eventually agrees to it, is not rape. A landlord threatening to kick their tenant out unless they are provided sex - is wielding unreasonable social pressure - that might count as rape, depending on the circumstances.



They are (assuming they aren't biting or scratching etc), especially in a sexual situation, where there are no written contracts or other such indicators. Just non-verbal action and reaction. This fantasy of consent forms or "strong verbal consent" just doesn't happen in the real world between normal people and never will.



No, you can withdraw consent in the middle of it. Say "get off" or "stop". Doing nothing, then reporting a rape in the morning is wrong.



Possibly, but you'd have to have a very good basis for that, like previous threats of violence.

Unfortunately, while sympathies must be had for the victim, this may not count as rape either - depending on the situation and lead up. Mens rea - the perpetrator has to understand he is committing rape or at least doing something wrong to be guilty of it - something very much lost in this argument sometimes. I've heard some justice systems are adjusting the concept of mens rea for rape - which I am pretty suspicious of, but the general principle stands.

Dude, I really have no idea what you are talking about. You maybe said something about Germany or something in the 70s? I would really appreciate if you could actually point me in a direction, so that I can be aware of credible allegations of accepted movements on the Left Wing in pushing for paedophilia. And please don't have it be something that just says LGBT education for kids is paedophilia, as it stands there is already a specific side of the political aisle that want to do genital examination in school sports.

Also, as mentioned, 8chan and its like have a Right wing lean to it, often the men being the what this topic talks about, and has a history of things like child porn and similar discussion.




My man, you really need to re-examine your perspectives on these. You can see some of the comments above that talk about it being a very common reaction when victimised by sexual harassment to freeze up, and that it is absolutely not the same thing as giving consent. I don't think that you have a clear understanding of what it can be like to be a woman who might be terrified after a man starts something and might be unable to yell at them to stop or try to fight them, especially if they are afraid what might happen if they make the man angry.

This is kind of exactly what people mean when they talk about a rape culture. I really hope you are not putting these things into practice, or refusing to believe women because they apparently did not fight back enough.

Oh okay, but how much power over birth control does a red state have? For example, can you not buy condoms in stores because they are restricted for sale? Or if you went to do your doctor to be put on the pill, are the doctors not able to put the patient on then, legally?

And that is exactly why men should be taught to hear a "yes" rather than assume that the absence of "no" is a yes. But seriously, did you just argue that if a man is unaware that he is raping someone, perhaps because she is not fighting back because she is drunk, under the effect of social pressure, and in general might not be able to say so explicitly for a host of reasons, that can he can't be guilty of it?

The instances might be along the lines of a poor teaching of sex education, where the importance is placed on abstinence only, rather than safe sex practices.

Oh okay, but that's it? It's not that hard to find out what birth control or condoms are, I mean red states have the internet and movies and TV to learn these from I am guessing... I am surprised if not learning it in school is going to cause that big of a problem, when you can find out about safe sex practices in so many other ways?

Plus why would anyone want to have sex without protection? Are they just hoping they get lucky and it won't happen to them, and that is the only effort they want to put into it being safe?

Alright you lazy f... I'll give you one link, there is more to find if you go looking:

https://newrepublic.com/article/120379/ ... ia-scandal

It’s not every day that a major European political party has to apologize for having supported pedophilia, but two weeks ago, the German Green Party had to do just that. For the past year and a half, investigators commissioned by the party have been probing its past associations with pro-pedophilia groups, and their report has been shocking to many Germans. It found that the German “pedosexual movement,” which advocated the legalization of “consensual” sex between adults and children, found a surprisingly warm reception in the party in the 1980s.
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The current scandal dates back to last year’s federal election, when a German researcher revealed that one of the party’s leaders, Juergen Trittin, had signed off on a 1981 local party platform arguing that sex between adults and children, in some cases, be legal. Trittin quickly acknowledged that he had made a mistake, blaming it on an oversight—but conservative political opponents were quick to describe the Greens’ actions as “repulsive.” This came on the heels of other revelations—which had prompted the report in the first place—that another senior Green Party figure had once written about his “flirtations” with children while working in a kindergarten. Largely as a result, the party only received a disappointing 8.4 percent of the popular vote.
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Although it is little remembered these days, the move to legalize pedophilia in the 1980s went far beyond Germany. In the United States, the Childhood Sensuality Circle and, more notoriously, North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) advocated (with little success) for legalized pedophilia, and other countries, including the Netherlands, Canada and the UK, had similar movements. But the movement fared exceedingly well in the unique political climate of West Germany, where the Nazi past made the left especially sensitive (and, in some cases, susceptible) to arguments about individual freedom. “It was a widely-held belief in West Germany that sexual freedom was a way to prevent authoritarianism,” says Stephan Klecha, one of the researchers who worked on the report. “That debate about fascism was very German.”





Yes. While acknowledging caveats previously discussed or imagined - Mens Rea - the Guilty Mind - the mental intent to commit a crime or through lack of action allow one to occur, is a fundamental pillar of our moral and legal system.

Another thing I was wondering, do 'red' men, really care about having sex with women, if the women are 'blue', if it means blue women are more open to it?

There's that episode of Curb Your Enthusiam, where Larry hooks up with a woman and as they are making out at her place, and getting hot and heavy, he notices that she has a picture of George W. Bush on her table. He asks if she is a republican and she says yes, and he says I'm sorry I can't do this, and then hurries out.

Are Americans really like that, with politics when it comes to turning down sex?

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