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16 Sep 2021, 1:33 am

dorkseid wrote:
WP attracts certain types of users, primarily NDs along with some NTs who have personal or professional connections to ASD and NDs. There is a selection bias regarding who is on this forum. Therefore it is not a representative sampling of the entirety of the general public, from which the statistic that 50% have below average IQs comes.
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There is no way to know what percentage of users registered with an account on WP but I suspect a significant proportion don't post on threads and just read.

The minority who you are basing your judgement on are probably the most confident to post their opinions and based on this may not be representative of other users on WP. Self-confidence doesn't necessarily mean high IQ.



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16 Sep 2021, 7:50 am

^^^



Ahem, It Doesn't Take a Rocket Scientist

to Understand Most Users of this Internet Site

Do Not Post; For The Simple Reason That Many

Autistic Folks Are Introverts And Many Are not Very Verbal...

Never The Less, THEY DO READ;

NEVER THE LESS, THEY DO READ;

And Obviously, Considering Our
Administrator CORNFLAKE Already
Dispelled The Notion That Bots
Or Other Influences Outside the

Registered Members Here Might
AFFECT the View Count, THEY DO NOT;

AS ALL THE VIEWS ARE LIMITED TO
REGISTERED MEMBERS OF THIS SITE;

Which Means That All Close to 65,000
Views of my Solo Monologue Thread, "Depth of The Story"
That is Also a Number One Hit Now on the Google
Search Engine In Quotes; And Still Hits the First
Page Without Quotes, Which Likely Means it
Draws Views in For Revenue Outside of the
Members/View Count on this Internet Site for the OWNER

ARE REAL...

WHERE i ACTUALLY DO THE ACTIVITY OF ORIGINAL
PHILOSOPHY AND DISCUSS RELIGION AND PHILOSOPHY
AND POLITICS IN A POETIC MORE 'RIGHT BRAIN METAPHOR'

Way that is the Oldest Most 'Eastern Way' of Discussing All 3 IN MORE MYSTICAL
WHOLiSTiC Ways That May Not Be Popular With Folks Who Materially Reduce the World

Who Lean
More Toward
The Ilk of the STEM

Major, Which i Can And Still
Will Surely Relate to Working With
'IT' For the Federal Government,
For the Military, For A Quarter
Of A Century and Financial
Management too; However,

Studies Show THAT Is Actually
A Minority of Higher Functioning
Folks on the Autism Spectrum, With STEM Majors Only
Weighing in At About 33 Percent according to those Studies...

Once Again, the Fact is as 'Temple Grandin' So Eloquently Speaks
to, In Her 'Ted Talks' For Many Years Now is that The Spectrum is Just
That; the Neurodiversity that Comes With Folks Who Excel in Maths
And Language; And Those Who Excel in Visual Thinking; And Those
Who Excel In Pattern Thinking And Quite Frankly (Fredly), Those Who Excel

in Them all

And Will Switch

Hit With Ease
to Do Amazing
Works of Life that

Obviously Not Everyone
Will Be Able to Appreciate,

Depending On What Niche of
Human Potentials They Reside In;

However, Intellectual Snobbery that
Decides that One Way of Thinking is Greater

Than the Other, Doesn't Understand that it Takes
An Entire Pie of Different Pie Kinds of Human Beings

To Make A Human Society Work; Just Like it Does With
80 Percent of the Rest of the Animal Kingdom Assessed
As Rovers and 20 Percent Who Are Sitters And Continue

To Vote For Trump
As Part Of Their
Tradition;

Yet You

See that's

Mixing Science

With Art; That Blows
the Mind of Some Folks

Away Who Believe That Thinking

Only Works One way; Clue: IT DOES NOT.

When i Finally Expanded Out of my STEM Mind;

Folks Here thought, i Was Out of 'My Mind'; Yes, i took

A Vacation to Art; Yet i can Still Go Back and Write A Science

Abstract Devoid Of Soul, If i Don't Wanna Feel All the Wonderful
Colors of Life (Emotions, Feelings, Senses) That i Was Totally Missing

In Life Before

In a STEM

World That
Colored the Smiles
of Folks Around me

So Far Out of my Grasp...

Now i get to go to what i personally
See is Yes, A Much Better Place in Life;

Not Everyone Agrees; Yet Never the less,
An Average of 5,000 Views A Month that

Aren't likely Yet A Few of the Folks Who Actually Post
here now ARE THE READERS Who Are THE SILENT MAJORITY....

TRUE, AND MY THREAD PROVES THEY ARE THE MAJORITY HERE...

And Just Because they Aren't Posting, Doesn't Mean they Are not
Getting Support From this Site for what it was Designed to Do;

A Support Site

For the

Neurodiverse....

Just Because 'You' can't
See the Benefit; And Just Because

Those People Might Be Too Reserved
to Jump in my Thread and Provide Their
Point of View, Doesn't Mean They are not
Feeling Supported As Neurodiverse in Some Way...

As My Whole Goal By Coming Here Was Becoming MORE
NEURODIVERSE AND NOT SUCH A NARROW MINDED

INDIVIDUAL

THAT I WAS
BEFORE; Now

i Get to See and Do
The World in More Human

Shoes Than Before and i Have

MORE REAL WORLD PRIVILEGE TO
INTERACT AND QUITE FRANKLY BE LOVED

BY PEOPLE BEFORE WHO WOULD HAVE NEVER

ENJOYED ME BEING PART OF THEIR WORLD;

THAT'S
PRICELESS...

And helping other

People even if they
Don't Debate Or Say
Thanks is Just (F) in Being HUMAN.

According to:

-(Fred) At Least...



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16 Sep 2021, 9:42 am

What you suggest is a chicken or egg scenario. Did the crime come first and then the poverty or did the poverty come first and then the crime?

Sadly though, there appears to be a far greater correlation between a massive criminal record and poverty than being poor causing crime. I don't have any specific sources but you'll find it a hell of a lot harder for sure with a huge criminal record to get by in life.

This is not due to anything white people have done though. I think non whites are the only people who can break this cycle.



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16 Sep 2021, 10:24 am

^^^



THEN APPARENTLY YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE DEEP SOUTH IN THE UNITED STATES...

WHERE JUST IN 1984, THE MILITARY HAD TO WARN AFRICAN

AMERICAN FOLKS NOT TO GO NORTH IN THE COUNTY

AFTER DARK TO A TOWN NAMED

JAY

WHERE

BLACK FOLKS

WERE STILL NOT

WELCOME TO VISIT THERE....

ThiS Ain't Wales Baby... You

Have No Idea What Goes on Still here...

In the Farms to The North of the County

Just After Church, 'The Blacks And The Whites

Are Separated into Mud Mix' That 'God' Never

Accommodates As Good...

In Other Words,
if they 'Get

Together'

And Create Children...

SYSTEMATIC RACISM IS
STILL ALIVE AND BREATHING ITS UGLY BREATH... HERE NOW...

IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN WHERE YOU LIVE GREAT FOR Y'ALL...

HERE AT LEAST

WHITE PRIVILEGE

IS STILL IGNORANT AND REAL...

Harming Folks Deep Down away from Love...

In Other Words It's Harder to Get A Job Or
Move
In Next Door Where A White Daughter

Might Be

Salivating

For Someone

Who Moves with More Confidence...

It's a Fact, 'Some White Folks' Have
Feared 'Black Men' For 'This Reason' All Along...

Is it Part of Human Nature; Yes, And Also Part of Systematic Racism Still Today...



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16 Sep 2021, 11:55 am

Nades wrote:
What you suggest is a chicken or egg scenario. Did the crime come first and then the poverty or did the poverty come first and then the crime?


This is an issue which goes back generations. I remember reading that in cities like London during the 1800s, the rising number of homeless orphaned adolescents who had been completed abandoned by society led the rise of gangs and crime.

At least through the first half of the 20th Century, non-whites were not permitted to hold competitive jobs, banned from living in all but the poorest areas, regularly set up as scape goats without fair legal representation, or outright chased through the street and assaulted and murdered by mobs or the police with no ramifications. Matters have partially improved since that time, but it still leave to this day a legacy of families that have had nothing to pass onto their children for generations. No wealth. No home. No opportunity to attain an education. Not even a reputation. Many of these people have nothing, including no access to any opportunities. Blue collar crime is commonly associated with poverty because poor people are desperate. And besides, they'll still get blamed even when they're innocent. To shout "look at all these black men committing crimes" while ignoring the larger socio-economic context is blatantly dishonest.

Nades wrote:
Sadly though, there appears to be a far greater correlation between a massive criminal record and poverty than being poor causing crime. I don't have any specific sources but you'll find it a hell of a lot harder for sure with a huge criminal record to get by in life.


All it takes is one mistake when you're young to land a criminal record that will follow you for the rest of your life. Once that happens nobody will ever give you a chance ever again. No employer will ever give you a job so you can earn an living and no landlord will rent you a place to live in. Many people who never wanted to return to a life of crime end up doing so because it is the only option they have to survive.

Nades wrote:
This is not due to anything white people have done though. I think non whites are the only people who can break this cycle.


Those are two extremely bold assumptions which are completely unsupported by any evidence.



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16 Sep 2021, 12:28 pm

aghogday wrote:
^^^



Ahem, It Doesn't Take a Rocket Scientist

to Understand Most Users of this Internet Site

Do Not Post; For The Simple Reason That Many

Autistic Folks Are Introverts And Many Are not Very Verbal...

Never The Less, THEY DO READ;

NEVER THE LESS, THEY DO READ;

And Obviously, Considering Our
Administrator CORNFLAKE Already
Dispelled The Notion That Bots
Or Other Influences Outside the

Registered Members Here Might
AFFECT the View Count, THEY DO NOT;

AS ALL THE VIEWS ARE LIMITED TO
REGISTERED MEMBERS OF THIS SITE;

Which Means That All Close to 65,000
Views of my Solo Monologue Thread, "Depth of The Story"
That is Also a Number One Hit Now on the Google
Search Engine In Quotes; And Still Hits the First
Page Without Quotes, Which Likely Means it
Draws Views in For Revenue Outside of the
Members/View Count on this Internet Site for the OWNER

ARE REAL...

WHERE i ACTUALLY DO THE ACTIVITY OF ORIGINAL
PHILOSOPHY AND DISCUSS RELIGION AND PHILOSOPHY
AND POLITICS IN A POETIC MORE 'RIGHT BRAIN METAPHOR'

Way that is the Oldest Most 'Eastern Way' of Discussing All 3 IN MORE MYSTICAL
WHOLiSTiC Ways That May Not Be Popular With Folks Who Materially Reduce the World

Who Lean
More Toward
The Ilk of the STEM

Major, Which i Can And Still
Will Surely Relate to Working With
'IT' For the Federal Government,
For the Military, For A Quarter
Of A Century and Financial
Management too; However,

Studies Show THAT Is Actually
A Minority of Higher Functioning
Folks on the Autism Spectrum, With STEM Majors Only
Weighing in At About 33 Percent according to those Studies...

Once Again, the Fact is as 'Temple Grandin' So Eloquently Speaks
to, In Her 'Ted Talks' For Many Years Now is that The Spectrum is Just
That; the Neurodiversity that Comes With Folks Who Excel in Maths
And Language; And Those Who Excel in Visual Thinking; And Those
Who Excel In Pattern Thinking And Quite Frankly (Fredly), Those Who Excel

in Them all

And Will Switch

Hit With Ease
to Do Amazing
Works of Life that

Obviously Not Everyone
Will Be Able to Appreciate,

Depending On What Niche of
Human Potentials They Reside In;

However, Intellectual Snobbery that
Decides that One Way of Thinking is Greater

Than the Other, Doesn't Understand that it Takes
An Entire Pie of Different Pie Kinds of Human Beings

To Make A Human Society Work; Just Like it Does With
80 Percent of the Rest of the Animal Kingdom Assessed
As Rovers and 20 Percent Who Are Sitters And Continue

To Vote For Trump
As Part Of Their
Tradition;

Yet You

See that's

Mixing Science

With Art; That Blows
the Mind of Some Folks

Away Who Believe That Thinking

Only Works One way; Clue: IT DOES NOT.

When i Finally Expanded Out of my STEM Mind;

Folks Here thought, i Was Out of 'My Mind'; Yes, i took

A Vacation to Art; Yet i can Still Go Back and Write A Science

Abstract Devoid Of Soul, If i Don't Wanna Feel All the Wonderful
Colors of Life (Emotions, Feelings, Senses) That i Was Totally Missing

In Life Before

In a STEM

World That
Colored the Smiles
of Folks Around me

So Far Out of my Grasp...

Now i get to go to what i personally
See is Yes, A Much Better Place in Life;

Not Everyone Agrees; Yet Never the less,
An Average of 5,000 Views A Month that

Aren't likely Yet A Few of the Folks Who Actually Post
here now ARE THE READERS Who Are THE SILENT MAJORITY....

TRUE, AND MY THREAD PROVES THEY ARE THE MAJORITY HERE...

And Just Because they Aren't Posting, Doesn't Mean they Are not
Getting Support From this Site for what it was Designed to Do;

A Support Site

For the

Neurodiverse....

Just Because 'You' can't
See the Benefit; And Just Because

Those People Might Be Too Reserved
to Jump in my Thread and Provide Their
Point of View, Doesn't Mean They are not
Feeling Supported As Neurodiverse in Some Way...

As My Whole Goal By Coming Here Was Becoming MORE
NEURODIVERSE AND NOT SUCH A NARROW MINDED

INDIVIDUAL

THAT I WAS
BEFORE; Now

i Get to See and Do
The World in More Human

Shoes Than Before and i Have

MORE REAL WORLD PRIVILEGE TO
INTERACT AND QUITE FRANKLY BE LOVED

BY PEOPLE BEFORE WHO WOULD HAVE NEVER

ENJOYED ME BEING PART OF THEIR WORLD;

THAT'S
PRICELESS...

And helping other

People even if they
Don't Debate Or Say
Thanks is Just (F) in Being HUMAN.

According to:

-(Fred) At Least...




I think about this from time to time. I feel like I wasted my opportunity at getting an undergraduate degree. When I began university, my family had been pushing me to pursue a computer science degree for years. I never had access to a computer growing up and never learned much aside from how to browse the Internet. But I took a few courses on Word and PowerPoint and they decided I was some kind of computer genius. But after taking some programming classes I realized it wasn't for me. I had always preferred physical sciences to tech anyway.

That left me uncertain what to do. I switched majors at least three more times before settling on communication. Yeah, I know. Right?! At the time I had developed a strong interest in the idea of becoming a journalist. My thinking at the time was that it would be a good match with my bilingual skills. Needless to say, that didn't turn out to be a good decision in the long term.

In hindsight, I wish I had majored in astrophysics. I always excelled at math and science classes in school. I remember thinking at the time that I didn't know what career I could use a science degree for. It seems dumb now, but I don't know what made me think that at the time. I still don't know whether to fault my own laziness and poor decision making or not having never been given proper guidance. Many time in life, especially when I was young, I didn't know what I didn't know and I didn't know where to look for it.

Truth, I had no clue what I was doing when I was in college. Not only did I lack a clear direction, but there was a lot going on to distract me. This was my first time back in America after spending my entire adolescence in Libya. I was learning much about American society and culture for the first time as well as going through a lot of self rediscovery. Even simple thing like interacting socially with women were entirely new experiences. My special interest has always been superhero comic books, and those had been extremely difficult to come by in Libya. For the first time in my life I had access to the hobby I always wanted but couldn't access until this point, and spent a lot more time and money on it than I probably should have.

So really, I still don't know whether it was my own irresponsibility and laziness that is to blame, or if I was just a victim of an undiagnosed neural disorder and a lack of guidance.



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16 Sep 2021, 12:48 pm

I think the "guidance" idea might be the thing.

I don't sense laziness in you.

I should have majored in accounting, instead of trying to go for speech pathology and English. I would have done well as an accountant. But I wanted to go to college to feel pleasure in learning. So I dropped my accounting major, and went for English as my "pleasure" major, and speech pathology as my "practical" major. Turns out I suck as a speech pathologist.



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16 Sep 2021, 1:29 pm

I don't think laziness in and of itself is a real thing. Many lack motivation, whether it's due to lack of interest, not seeing the point of something, not feeling that they are being rewarded appropriately for their efforts, or a loss of hope or confidence in their abilities.



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16 Sep 2021, 1:49 pm

dorkseid wrote:
Nades wrote:
What you suggest is a chicken or egg scenario. Did the crime come first and then the poverty or did the poverty come first and then the crime?


This is an issue which goes back generations. I remember reading that in cities like London during the 1800s, the rising number of homeless orphaned adolescents who had been completed abandoned by society led the rise of gangs and crime.

At least through the first half of the 20th Century, non-whites were not permitted to hold competitive jobs, banned from living in all but the poorest areas, regularly set up as scape goats without fair legal representation, or outright chased through the street and assaulted and murdered by mobs or the police with no ramifications. Matters have partially improved since that time, but it still leave to this day a legacy of families that have had nothing to pass onto their children for generations. No wealth. No home. No opportunity to attain an education. Not even a reputation. Many of these people have nothing, including no access to any opportunities. Blue collar crime is commonly associated with poverty because poor people are desperate. And besides, they'll still get blamed even when they're innocent. To shout "look at all these black men committing crimes" while ignoring the larger socio-economic context is blatantly dishonest.


A link between poverty and crime isn't really clear cut. We don't know that poverty implicitly causes crime and while stats can be collected, the old saying goes correlation does not imply causation. Causation however can be inferred from the mountains of legislation preventing people with substantial criminal records holding certain jobs and positions.


dorkseid wrote:
Nades wrote:
Sadly though, there appears to be a far greater correlation between a massive criminal record and poverty than being poor causing crime. I don't have any specific sources but you'll find it a hell of a lot harder for sure with a huge criminal record to get by in life.


All it takes is one mistake when you're young to land a criminal record that will follow you for the rest of your life. Once that happens nobody will ever give you a chance ever again. No employer will ever give you a job so you can earn an living and no landlord will rent you a place to live in. Many people who never wanted to return to a life of crime end up doing so because it is the only option they have to survive.


Depends on where you live. So far I haven't really come into much issue with a criminal record but others with much more severe ones will. Many non-whites in large cities don't want to return to a normal life though. large cities in the UK at least are known for their gang and drugs crime. The airwaves are filled with music glorifying it and many, particularly young black men think gang and drug crime has considerable status attached to it.

It doesn't matter where this is. In smaller towns there are no go areas too where mainly young white men are involved in such criminality. They are also poor and live in depressed areas.

dorkseid wrote:
Nades wrote:
This is not due to anything white people have done though. I think non whites are the only people who can break this cycle.


Those are two extremely bold assumptions which are completely unsupported by any evidence.


It is and I fully believe it.



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16 Sep 2021, 4:17 pm

dorkseid wrote:

I think about this from time to time. I feel like I wasted my opportunity at getting an undergraduate degree. When I began university, my family had been pushing me to pursue a computer science degree for years. I never had access to a computer growing up and never learned much aside from how to browse the Internet. But I took a few courses on Word and PowerPoint and they decided I was some kind of computer genius. But after taking some programming classes I realized it wasn't for me. I had always preferred physical sciences to tech anyway.

That left me uncertain what to do. I switched majors at least three more times before settling on communication. Yeah, I know. Right?! At the time I had developed a strong interest in the idea of becoming a journalist. My thinking at the time was that it would be a good match with my bilingual skills. Needless to say, that didn't turn out to be a good decision in the long term.

In hindsight, I wish I had majored in astrophysics. I always excelled at math and science classes in school. I remember thinking at the time that I didn't know what career I could use a science degree for. It seems dumb now, but I don't know what made me think that at the time. I still don't know whether to fault my own laziness and poor decision making or not having never been given proper guidance. Many time in life, especially when I was young, I didn't know what I didn't know and I didn't know where to look for it.

Truth, I had no clue what I was doing when I was in college. Not only did I lack a clear direction, but there was a lot going on to distract me. This was my first time back in America after spending my entire adolescence in Libya. I was learning much about American society and culture for the first time as well as going through a lot of self rediscovery. Even simple thing like interacting socially with women were entirely new experiences. My special interest has always been superhero comic books, and those had been extremely difficult to come by in Libya. For the first time in my life I had access to the hobby I always wanted but couldn't access until this point, and spent a lot more time and money on it than I probably should have.

So really, I still don't know whether it was my own irresponsibility and laziness that is to blame, or if I was just a victim of an undiagnosed neural disorder and a lack of guidance.






Here is a Ted Talk From Temple Grandin That Goes into
Much More Detail of Course About the Diversity Of the Mind,
And How that Relates to Thinking Across The Autism Spectrum...

i Didn't Have Any Problems Staying At the Top End of my Class
Earning 3 Degrees in Mostly Educational Areas of Anthropology,
Social Sciences Interdisciplinary, And Health Science That Only

Really Prepared me for Master's Levels Courses That i Entertained
Until the Money Ran Out; And i Had to Seek Work, Wherever i Could
Find Work That Had Nothing to Do With the Degrees i Earned; As i
Was Never Concerned About Making Much Money as My Family on the

Maternal Side in A Small Town Showed it Didn't take much to be

Happy. My Problems Weren't Input, Yet Output In Terms of Creating

Anything More Than A Technical List in Writing And Bare Bones Social
Reciprocal Communication Lost From Small Talk More than "Take It Easy";
Or "That's Cool"; Or If Someone, Anyone Asked me what i had been doing,

Even Family, i Usually Had only one Reply That Became Two: Working, Working...

As At Least if i Said it Twice, it was the Best i Could Do to Connect Longer that way....

There Were Some Days At Work, Still in my 40's After Having No Verbal Words Until
4 That i had No Motivation to Speak at All At Work, And In Meetings With Bosses and
Peers as i Went up the Ladder of Pay Grade, Managerial, And Administrative Duties

It Took Literally An Hour to Come Up with Anything to Say in a meeting; Yet

Even Before i Could Speak at 4, The Doctor Told my Mother She Loved me

Too Much Providing all i needed

Without Any Need to Ask

For Anything in Life;

And That i Had Bright Intelligent
Eyes, Where i would Speak When i Got
Good And Ready to Ask For Something i Needed...

Yet True, Before i Could Speak my Mother Said She was
Frantically Looking For Her Car Keys, And i Toddled
My Way Back to the Bedroom, Found Them Under
The Bed And Brought them Smiling From Ear to Ear;

Empath in Feelings and Senses i Always Was;

With Arms Reached out for a Hug to Everyone She
Said; Yet a Stay At Home Mother That's What She Gardened

In me, Same Open
Arms for A Hug Her

Number One Focus
in Life That She Set Her
Mission to; After my Father
Left at 3; Things Went Way Downhill;
When She Had to Go Off to Work; And
i Lost Some of the Emotional Close Contact that way....

Not Easy Getting Along With Other Children Well; Not Able
to Speak Well; Same With Stuttering in Middle School; Yet

Never the Less, Intelligent Enough Eyes Smiling And Straight
A's to Get By, Even if my Hand Writing Was So Horrible the Teacher

Graded me High When i had to Write, Based on All the Acing of Multiple
Choice Tests; Just Based on Stellar Rote Memory Then; The Hardest Part

Of All Really Not
Being Comfortable

In My Own Skin; So Hard
to Navigate the 3-Dimensional

Environment Around me Like Going
Into A Target Store And It Always Seemed
Like a Maze i was Lost in; Eventually The
Stress of it Almost Killed me in Total; Yet

Fortunately Being Able to Retire Early; With
All the Permanent Disability i Was Assessed with
Then; i Looked Deep Within and Found the Answers

For me That ended up Being Connecting Emotions to
Words in Poetry that Finally Provided A Flow Where My

Thoughts Were All Finally in Focus away from ADHD, Gracefully
Inhaling Peace, Exhaling Love Finally For All My Life; And The Dancing

Naturally Evolved to Where i am totally Confident in my Body And With
Some Kind of Epigenetic Effect i Moved From Total Introvert to Total Extrovert

Where i Still Enjoy Both Ways of Life; Best of All i Developed An Autotelic Flow

To Generate My Own Happiness Within; And the One Emotion i Left Behind

Losing Most All Emotions for 66 Months

Was Fear that i Still Leave Behind

As the Free Dance and Song

Still Regulates All my

Emotions and

Integrates my Senses;

Yet, My Inability to Comfortably
Touch Almost All Human Made
Material Surfaces is As Much of a
Challenge As It Always Was; Just as i
Am Born i keep my Hands Closed into

Mostly A Fist

Always to

Avoid Touching
Most Human Made
Stuff in Life; hehe

Smallest Challenge i've
Faced At All in My Lifetime;

Yet What Most Folks Couldn't
Imagine Dealing with IN Life....

i Adapted to What i Could and
Accepted What i Couldn't Change...

If Not For the Early Retirement, i'd
Be Really Screwed Big Time; Financial

Independence Made All the Difference in
the World to Eventually Recover, Never the
Less, with the Assessed Suicide Disease for 66
Months From Wake to Sleep in Pain Most Folks

Cannot Imagine
Exists Past

Getting Their
Teeth Drilled
Without Novocaine;

In My Case, Type
Two Trigeminal
Neuralgia Impacting
My Right Eye and Ear
Rendering Effective Use
of Eyes and Ears At Almost
Nothing In Life For Most of that
66 Months; Trapped in A World Within....

It is safe to say it's really a Miracle i'm even alive today...

i've Come to Appreciate
Every Breath Now

And i Have

Zero Regrets
About Any of the
DarK in the Past
That BRinGS me Where
i Inhale Peace and Exhale Love
In Ease Now; Never Making a Penny;

Yet Accomplishing things in my Life

i Never Thought Was Possible

for me or

Anyone

Else; Mileage
Varies Depending
On Make and Model
of Human Being; i Surely

Won't Ever Judge Personally
How Someone Walks in Another
Pair of Shoes; There Are Just too
Many Invisible Circumstances Other

Folks Go Through That they May Never Talk about at all..

i Didn't Meet Anyone Who Couldn't Touch Human Made Materials
until my 40's, Where One of the Life Guards That Was Underneath

My Administration

Remarked She Couldn't
Stand to Touch Towels
Coming Out of the Dryer...

My Wife Does the Clothes, Now Thank God...

As She Always Has For 31 Years; Fortunately She Was
Attracted to Men Who Smile A lot When i met Her

At The Bowling Center i Worked At Early On for
The Military in Surprisingly A GS-5 to 7 Federal Position

Eventually GS-9 to 11 Equivalent Position as
Athletic Director of A Military Installation as
Yeah, Hehe, Last Kid Picked For Sports; Yet my
Collateral Financial Management And IT Support

They Needed me Enough to Hire me for Something Else...

Back to Towels, i Never Had A Dryer When i Lived With my Mother...

Wasn't so Bad Hanging them Up On A Clothes Line Still Wet...

Yeah, There Are So Many Variables About Autism That Makes
it Incredibly Functionally Disabling

And So Much That Others

Don't See That

Indeed Makes it this way;

Same With All Mental Illnesses
too; As Bi-Polar Was Likely Part of
What Led me to Darkest Depressions too...

My Highs Don't Get me in too Much Trouble; And in
General My Mood Will Be Hypo-Manic For Decades...

i Finally Found the Focus to Express that Potential in
Creativity; All the Dance And Song; And Even a Literal
Prescription From a Doctor For Dance keeps me Emotionally
Regulated And Sensory Integrated From Head to Toe in this World...

My Doctor Says i Am A Fairly Rare Case to Manage it Without Drugs...

Yet Again, It's Always A Tight Rope Act Higher in Flow For Me continuously

As Surely 9.6 MiLLioN Words in EPiC Long Form Poem Writing, and
15,400 MiLes of Public Dance in 8 Years Shows How Far That

Potential

When Actually

Used Will Go;

Haha, if Anyone

Had told me i'd

Be Writing Poetry

And Dancing In Public,

In The Days i Could Hardly

Muster A Word And Never Feel
Comfortable Walking in Walmart
or Target Solo in my 40's, i Surely

Would Have to Ask them Twice if they Were Talking About me, hehe...

It's True, i Came to Amaze Myself Enough Where it Doesn't Matter to me

What Anyone

Thinks about

my Recovery

From HeLL ON EartH

To Heaven Within One

Lifetime Now; i've Lived

To the Point That Life
makes Death Worth Doing
In Only Gratitude for the

Inhales of Peace And Exhales
of Love i've actually Experienced
in my Life Now in So Many Giving
And Sharing Free Ways; Where i Basically

Lived in a
Cocoon

Trapped
In A Prison
Within in Varying
Degrees Most of my Life
For Some Functional Disability...

Even When Peers Called me 'Superman'
For Earning 3 Degrees at Once With
3 Part Time Jobs in College And

For the Work Load

i Handled

At Work

With A Smile
Outside Where no
One could See i
Was Gradually Dying Inside...

It's True, Most Folks Can't
Imagine How Difficult the
'Clark Kent' Part of 'the Job' is For Real...

Yet Again, Of Course, it is 'The Geeks and
Nerds' Who Created the Comic Books

to Get the Revenge of the Nerds

With Imaginary Super Powers

For 'The Wedgies' They

Received in School;

Ultimate Revenge though;

Now Most Everyone Lives

in Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, And
Mark Zuckerberg's World; And

Perhaps More of Elon Musk's
World For Whatever New Invention he Creates Next...

Hehe, If Not Only Paving the Way For Basic Income
For All Through HiS Own Personal Trillions When He Goes that way...

THere iS A Whole

Lot of Human

Potential in This
World Not Realized Yet;

And It won't Be coming

Nearly as Much From the

Folks Who are Not Considered Neuro-Diverse Now...

It Takes All Kind of Folks to Make A Species Survive...

If 'They' Ever Figure Out How to make 'Cookie-Cutter

Perfect Humans', The Species is surely Doomed...

Nature iS A Whole Lot More Smart

Beyond the View of

Humans

That
We Will
Likely Ever
Give Nature
Credit For; Just
Because We Don't
Have the Tools to See it;

No Different Really than
What i thought Was Impossible

For me to
Do in
That

Last

Lifetime of
mine that still
Changes Every
Now Eternally Real...

And For Everyone Else
too of course, Wittingly Or Not, True...

Of Course, With Everything i've Been
Through, i Don't Like Seeing Anyone Bullied for What They Cannot Change...

Yet, On The Other Hand, What Will Be Changed For the Better Will Be Greater News For All..:)




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^^^



[align=center]Ahem, It Doesn't Take a Rocket Scientist

to Understand Most Users of this Internet Site

Do Not Post; For The Simple Reason That Many

Autistic Folks Are Introverts And Many Are not Very Verbal...

Never The Less, THEY DO READ;



Exactly !



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If you are a White Person who likes to self-righteously lecture other White People about 'White Privilege', and who likes to virtue signal about how 'aware' you are of 'White Privilege' as an issue, then you should have the courage of your convictions and just give away all your possessions to People of Color.



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17 Sep 2021, 7:23 am

slam_thunderhide wrote:
If you are a White Person who likes to self-righteously lecture other White People about 'White Privilege', and who likes to virtue signal about how 'aware' you are of 'White Privilege' as an issue, then you should have the courage of your convictions and just give away all your possessions to People of Color.


There's nothing to lecture about when it exists.



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18 Sep 2021, 10:00 am

aghogday wrote:
dorkseid wrote:

I think about this from time to time. I feel like I wasted my opportunity at getting an undergraduate degree. When I began university, my family had been pushing me to pursue a computer science degree for years. I never had access to a computer growing up and never learned much aside from how to browse the Internet. But I took a few courses on Word and PowerPoint and they decided I was some kind of computer genius. But after taking some programming classes I realized it wasn't for me. I had always preferred physical sciences to tech anyway.

That left me uncertain what to do. I switched majors at least three more times before settling on communication. Yeah, I know. Right?! At the time I had developed a strong interest in the idea of becoming a journalist. My thinking at the time was that it would be a good match with my bilingual skills. Needless to say, that didn't turn out to be a good decision in the long term.

In hindsight, I wish I had majored in astrophysics. I always excelled at math and science classes in school. I remember thinking at the time that I didn't know what career I could use a science degree for. It seems dumb now, but I don't know what made me think that at the time. I still don't know whether to fault my own laziness and poor decision making or not having never been given proper guidance. Many time in life, especially when I was young, I didn't know what I didn't know and I didn't know where to look for it.

Truth, I had no clue what I was doing when I was in college. Not only did I lack a clear direction, but there was a lot going on to distract me. This was my first time back in America after spending my entire adolescence in Libya. I was learning much about American society and culture for the first time as well as going through a lot of self rediscovery. Even simple thing like interacting socially with women were entirely new experiences. My special interest has always been superhero comic books, and those had been extremely difficult to come by in Libya. For the first time in my life I had access to the hobby I always wanted but couldn't access until this point, and spent a lot more time and money on it than I probably should have.

So really, I still don't know whether it was my own irresponsibility and laziness that is to blame, or if I was just a victim of an undiagnosed neural disorder and a lack of guidance.






Here is a Ted Talk From Temple Grandin That Goes into
Much More Detail of Course About the Diversity Of the Mind,
And How that Relates to Thinking Across The Autism Spectrum...

i Didn't Have Any Problems Staying At the Top End of my Class
Earning 3 Degrees in Mostly Educational Areas of Anthropology,
Social Sciences Interdisciplinary, And Health Science That Only

Really Prepared me for Master's Levels Courses That i Entertained
Until the Money Ran Out; And i Had to Seek Work, Wherever i Could
Find Work That Had Nothing to Do With the Degrees i Earned; As i
Was Never Concerned About Making Much Money as My Family on the

Maternal Side in A Small Town Showed it Didn't take much to be

Happy. My Problems Weren't Input, Yet Output In Terms of Creating

Anything More Than A Technical List in Writing And Bare Bones Social
Reciprocal Communication Lost From Small Talk More than "Take It Easy";
Or "That's Cool"; Or If Someone, Anyone Asked me what i had been doing,

Even Family, i Usually Had only one Reply That Became Two: Working, Working...

As At Least if i Said it Twice, it was the Best i Could Do to Connect Longer that way....

There Were Some Days At Work, Still in my 40's After Having No Verbal Words Until
4 That i had No Motivation to Speak at All At Work, And In Meetings With Bosses and
Peers as i Went up the Ladder of Pay Grade, Managerial, And Administrative Duties

It Took Literally An Hour to Come Up with Anything to Say in a meeting; Yet

Even Before i Could Speak at 4, The Doctor Told my Mother She Loved me

Too Much Providing all i needed

Without Any Need to Ask

For Anything in Life;

And That i Had Bright Intelligent
Eyes, Where i would Speak When i Got
Good And Ready to Ask For Something i Needed...

Yet True, Before i Could Speak my Mother Said She was
Frantically Looking For Her Car Keys, And i Toddled
My Way Back to the Bedroom, Found Them Under
The Bed And Brought them Smiling From Ear to Ear;

Empath in Feelings and Senses i Always Was;

With Arms Reached out for a Hug to Everyone She
Said; Yet a Stay At Home Mother That's What She Gardened

In me, Same Open
Arms for A Hug Her

Number One Focus
in Life That She Set Her
Mission to; After my Father
Left at 3; Things Went Way Downhill;
When She Had to Go Off to Work; And
i Lost Some of the Emotional Close Contact that way....

Not Easy Getting Along With Other Children Well; Not Able
to Speak Well; Same With Stuttering in Middle School; Yet

Never the Less, Intelligent Enough Eyes Smiling And Straight
A's to Get By, Even if my Hand Writing Was So Horrible the Teacher

Graded me High When i had to Write, Based on All the Acing of Multiple
Choice Tests; Just Based on Stellar Rote Memory Then; The Hardest Part

Of All Really Not
Being Comfortable

In My Own Skin; So Hard
to Navigate the 3-Dimensional

Environment Around me Like Going
Into A Target Store And It Always Seemed
Like a Maze i was Lost in; Eventually The
Stress of it Almost Killed me in Total; Yet

Fortunately Being Able to Retire Early; With
All the Permanent Disability i Was Assessed with
Then; i Looked Deep Within and Found the Answers

For me That ended up Being Connecting Emotions to
Words in Poetry that Finally Provided A Flow Where My

Thoughts Were All Finally in Focus away from ADHD, Gracefully
Inhaling Peace, Exhaling Love Finally For All My Life; And The Dancing

Naturally Evolved to Where i am totally Confident in my Body And With
Some Kind of Epigenetic Effect i Moved From Total Introvert to Total Extrovert

Where i Still Enjoy Both Ways of Life; Best of All i Developed An Autotelic Flow

To Generate My Own Happiness Within; And the One Emotion i Left Behind

Losing Most All Emotions for 66 Months

Was Fear that i Still Leave Behind

As the Free Dance and Song

Still Regulates All my

Emotions and

Integrates my Senses;

Yet, My Inability to Comfortably
Touch Almost All Human Made
Material Surfaces is As Much of a
Challenge As It Always Was; Just as i
Am Born i keep my Hands Closed into

Mostly A Fist

Always to

Avoid Touching
Most Human Made
Stuff in Life; hehe

Smallest Challenge i've
Faced At All in My Lifetime;

Yet What Most Folks Couldn't
Imagine Dealing with IN Life....

i Adapted to What i Could and
Accepted What i Couldn't Change...

If Not For the Early Retirement, i'd
Be Really Screwed Big Time; Financial

Independence Made All the Difference in
the World to Eventually Recover, Never the
Less, with the Assessed Suicide Disease for 66
Months From Wake to Sleep in Pain Most Folks

Cannot Imagine
Exists Past

Getting Their
Teeth Drilled
Without Novocaine;

In My Case, Type
Two Trigeminal
Neuralgia Impacting
My Right Eye and Ear
Rendering Effective Use
of Eyes and Ears At Almost
Nothing In Life For Most of that
66 Months; Trapped in A World Within....

It is safe to say it's really a Miracle i'm even alive today...

i've Come to Appreciate
Every Breath Now

And i Have

Zero Regrets
About Any of the
DarK in the Past
That BRinGS me Where
i Inhale Peace and Exhale Love
In Ease Now; Never Making a Penny;

Yet Accomplishing things in my Life

i Never Thought Was Possible

for me or

Anyone

Else; Mileage
Varies Depending
On Make and Model
of Human Being; i Surely

Won't Ever Judge Personally
How Someone Walks in Another
Pair of Shoes; There Are Just too
Many Invisible Circumstances Other

Folks Go Through That they May Never Talk about at all..

i Didn't Meet Anyone Who Couldn't Touch Human Made Materials
until my 40's, Where One of the Life Guards That Was Underneath

My Administration

Remarked She Couldn't
Stand to Touch Towels
Coming Out of the Dryer...

My Wife Does the Clothes, Now Thank God...

As She Always Has For 31 Years; Fortunately She Was
Attracted to Men Who Smile A lot When i met Her

At The Bowling Center i Worked At Early On for
The Military in Surprisingly A GS-5 to 7 Federal Position

Eventually GS-9 to 11 Equivalent Position as
Athletic Director of A Military Installation as
Yeah, Hehe, Last Kid Picked For Sports; Yet my
Collateral Financial Management And IT Support

They Needed me Enough to Hire me for Something Else...

Back to Towels, i Never Had A Dryer When i Lived With my Mother...

Wasn't so Bad Hanging them Up On A Clothes Line Still Wet...

Yeah, There Are So Many Variables About Autism That Makes
it Incredibly Functionally Disabling

And So Much That Others

Don't See That

Indeed Makes it this way;

Same With All Mental Illnesses
too; As Bi-Polar Was Likely Part of
What Led me to Darkest Depressions too...

My Highs Don't Get me in too Much Trouble; And in
General My Mood Will Be Hypo-Manic For Decades...

i Finally Found the Focus to Express that Potential in
Creativity; All the Dance And Song; And Even a Literal
Prescription From a Doctor For Dance keeps me Emotionally
Regulated And Sensory Integrated From Head to Toe in this World...

My Doctor Says i Am A Fairly Rare Case to Manage it Without Drugs...

Yet Again, It's Always A Tight Rope Act Higher in Flow For Me continuously

As Surely 9.6 MiLLioN Words in EPiC Long Form Poem Writing, and
15,400 MiLes of Public Dance in 8 Years Shows How Far That

Potential

When Actually

Used Will Go;

Haha, if Anyone

Had told me i'd

Be Writing Poetry

And Dancing In Public,

In The Days i Could Hardly

Muster A Word And Never Feel
Comfortable Walking in Walmart
or Target Solo in my 40's, i Surely

Would Have to Ask them Twice if they Were Talking About me, hehe...

It's True, i Came to Amaze Myself Enough Where it Doesn't Matter to me

What Anyone

Thinks about

my Recovery

From HeLL ON EartH

To Heaven Within One

Lifetime Now; i've Lived

To the Point That Life
makes Death Worth Doing
In Only Gratitude for the

Inhales of Peace And Exhales
of Love i've actually Experienced
in my Life Now in So Many Giving
And Sharing Free Ways; Where i Basically

Lived in a
Cocoon

Trapped
In A Prison
Within in Varying
Degrees Most of my Life
For Some Functional Disability...

Even When Peers Called me 'Superman'
For Earning 3 Degrees at Once With
3 Part Time Jobs in College And

For the Work Load

i Handled

At Work

With A Smile
Outside Where no
One could See i
Was Gradually Dying Inside...

It's True, Most Folks Can't
Imagine How Difficult the
'Clark Kent' Part of 'the Job' is For Real...

Yet Again, Of Course, it is 'The Geeks and
Nerds' Who Created the Comic Books

to Get the Revenge of the Nerds

With Imaginary Super Powers

For 'The Wedgies' They

Received in School;

Ultimate Revenge though;

Now Most Everyone Lives

in Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, And
Mark Zuckerberg's World; And

Perhaps More of Elon Musk's
World For Whatever New Invention he Creates Next...

Hehe, If Not Only Paving the Way For Basic Income
For All Through HiS Own Personal Trillions When He Goes that way...

THere iS A Whole

Lot of Human

Potential in This
World Not Realized Yet;

And It won't Be coming

Nearly as Much From the

Folks Who are Not Considered Neuro-Diverse Now...

It Takes All Kind of Folks to Make A Species Survive...

If 'They' Ever Figure Out How to make 'Cookie-Cutter

Perfect Humans', The Species is surely Doomed...

Nature iS A Whole Lot More Smart

Beyond the View of

Humans

That
We Will
Likely Ever
Give Nature
Credit For; Just
Because We Don't
Have the Tools to See it;

No Different Really than
What i thought Was Impossible

For me to
Do in
That

Last

Lifetime of
mine that still
Changes Every
Now Eternally Real...

And For Everyone Else
too of course, Wittingly Or Not, True...

Of Course, With Everything i've Been
Through, i Don't Like Seeing Anyone Bullied for What They Cannot Change...

Yet, On The Other Hand, What Will Be Changed For the Better Will Be Greater News For All..:)





Quote:
Apex Fallacy
The assumption that because very few members of a group are powerful, therefore the rest of them must necessarily share that power too.
Example 1:

Jane: The top paid athletes in the USA are African-American, therefore all African-Americans athletes are richer than athletes of other racial backgrounds.


Pointing to Temple Grandin, Bill Gates, or Elon Musk as 'proof' that any autistic person can succeed is not different from pointing to Obama, Operah, or Kanye West as 'proof' that any person of color can. Autistic people, including those who are high functioning, are one of the groups with the worst employment and income outcomes. I have written grad school papers about this.

Quote:
Research by Roux et al. ([32]), suggests that only 58% of young adults in their early 20s with ASD are employed. Supporting data from the CDC ([10]) indicates that in 2014, only 60% of the 18,000 individuals with ASD in state-funded vocational rehabilitation programs attained employment. For those adults on the spectrum not receiving aid, employment outcomes are purported to be even poorer (Gerhardt et al. [13]). This employment rate is also far below outcomes reported for other disability groups including those with learning and intellectual disabilities (Roux et al. [32]). In fact, it is even lower than the employment rate of ex-convicts who achieve a more inspiring 75% rate of employment (National Justice Institute [30]). Research by Scott et al. ([34]) suggests employers are apprehensive and unwilling to hire adults on the spectrum, associating ASD hires with an increase in operating costs and a decrease in productivity. That perception is likely the result of limited societal knowledge about ASD and a dearth of effective transition services. Nevertheless, as it stands now, the employment potential for adults on the spectrum is considerably limited.

Source: https://doi.org/10.1007/s10803-020-04537-w


And let's not forget that nature has also produced childhood cancer, phocomelia, sickle cell anemia, down syndrome, etc.



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18 Sep 2021, 10:12 am

Dox47 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Aww ... the white supremacists are getting picked on ... they can go cry me a river.

:roll:


Who is this directed at? I don't see anyone advocating supremacy of the white race in any way, just people objecting to being stereotyped based on their skin color.


It was clearly directed at me. Though when I challenged him to provide proof that I had said anything racist, he backpedaled.

dorkseid wrote:
Fnord wrote:
[color=black]Please do direct me to any posts in which I specifically labelled you or any of the other posters in this thread as racists, hypocrites, or white supremacists.



Can you clarify who you were directing those accusations at, if it wasn't the posters to whom you were responding? Sounds like back pedaling to me.


Fnord has posted many times in this thread you since both of us asked this question, but has yet to respond despite clearly having ample opportunities to. He was hoping that if he ignored it long enough, everyone would just forget.