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18 Sep 2021, 12:25 pm

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Pointing to Temple Grandin, Bill Gates, or Elon Musk as 'proof' that any autistic person can succeed is not different from pointing to Obama, Operah, or Kanye West as 'proof' that any person of color can. Autistic people, including those who are high functioning, are one of the groups with the worst employment and income outcomes. I have written grad school papers about this.











Well, If You Had Just Paid Attention
To What i Actually Wrote And Understood it, And
NOT Read INTO What i Did NOT Say, in my Personal
Anecdotal Report, You Would have ACTUALLY, YES,

Seen, I NEVER SAID ANY AUTISTIC PERSON CAN SUCCEED

BASED ON WHAT OTHER FOLKS HAVE DONE IN LIFE...

i Pointed out That We Live in A Very Systemizing

World And Even Said in my Last Discussion

That Dudes Fishing At the Old Fishing

Hole in A Used Trailer Feel

Probably More Happy

Than Any of the Dudes
Doing Systemizing Science
All Their Lives; As That isn't

The Part of the Mind That
Makes Lasting Warmth of
Happiness Real; i Suggest

You Step Outside of the Autistic
Label Box As It is only Assessed
By Behavior; And Indeed Change is Possible, FOR SOME FOLKS;

NO, NOT ALL OR ANYONE; AGAIN, I NEVER SAID THAT IN ANY REPORT HERE...

As My life SURELY PROVES IRREFUTABLE AS SUCH, IT IS POSSIBLE FOR SOME FOLKS...

You Did Again What You Did With
the List of White Privileges;

Yes, Including Your World

View of Functional Challenges
That Had Nothing to Do With

The List of 'White Privileges'

As Assessed As Such...

Listen, i Realize How
Difficult it is for Any
Kind of Real Success, Like
Even Being Comfortable in
Your Own Skin Being on the
Autism Spectrum; How You interpreted

That to Mean That ANY Autistic Person
Can Find Success IS LIMITED TO YOUR VIEW
AND NOT
MINE

HERE

FOR SURE...

AND AGAIN,

That is A Major Functional
Disability of the Spectrum;
Not Being Able to Understand Intent of Others...

And The Fact that You are Intelligent Enough
to Write Grad Papers, Yet Can't Find Happiness
Is Indeed Indicative of What Success Even Means in the First

Place; It Surely Isn't Being A Billionaire or A Trillionare

As That Is Only A Measure of Capitalistic Success;

And Surely Nothing

Necessarily

To Do

With Basic
REAL Humane
Happiness Now...

Yeah, Baby, i understand
The Entire Struggle Up Close
And Personal, Yet only Mine...

As Far As Getting Rid of Most
of the Problems and Keeping

my Own Definition of

Heaven

On Earth...REAL;

Surely, i Can't Show
Anyone Else Where
i Actually Live Within Now...

And Surely, i Can't Give 'em Any
Magic Pills to Get Out of the Hell They Live...

All i Can And Will Do is Describe Where i've Been and Where i am Now..

Not Much Different Than You Do; You Are Just Still In A Darker Area Like me Before...

If You Don't Believe

You Can Change;

If You Don't Believe

It's Possible, You Will
Surely Be Who Ya Wanna be Next...

Basically, The Same...

At Least That's What Happened to me For
Many Years As Well; Zero Hope Left, Just in HeLL ON EartH...

As The Acronym of My User Name, AGHOGDAY, Originally Portrayed the

Same on this

Site,

Yuck,
'Another
Ground Hog
Day' of Never
Ending HeLL ON EartH...

The Worst 'Movie' Ever
Produced then, the one

my Mind

Created...

i No Longer
LiVE iN That Theater..

Can You Change; That's
Up to You; No Different
Than It was Up to me then...

Took 66 Months; That's A
Long Wait in HeLL ON EartH Indeed...

Yet IT Sure AS HELL DOESN'T MEAN
ALL AUTISTIC FOLKS WILL SUCCEED....

LIKE I SAID, IT'S A MIRACLE, I'M EVEN ALIVE,

As Far As i See; And Even the Medical Profession
That Labels the Disorder i had as "THE REAL SUICIDE DISEASE"...

Most Folks Experience THAT Pain Sporadically; Again for me, Type
Two Trigeminal Neuralgia, From Wake to Sleep 66 Months, No

Drug Would

Touch Like

A Dentist
Drill in my
Right Eye and
Ear With No Novocaine...

And Only One of 19 Mostly
Stress Related Disorders then;

If You Went to that Place

You Might At Least Appreciate
A Breath of Life Without that Kind of Pain...

Yet i Don't Really Know; As That Wasn't the
Worst Pain for me; The Worst Pain Was Not

Remembering

If i Ever Felt

A Smile

in my Life....

As Emotions Are
Memories And Memories
Are Emotions; When Left

In THAT Place, THere is No
Reference Point OUT; Not
Even A Memory of Any Place Yet

AGHOGDAY; Always In Hell Now Then;

It's A Matter of Perspective of Where
We Have Been And Go Next; If there

Is Any Memory

Left of

Perspective
At All in Hell
All Alone With
No Connection to
Any Kind of Feelings At All...

My Psychiatrist Said That Losing
All Emotions is Rare and More
Commonly Seen on the Autism Spectrum;

Truly The Bottom
Of the Barrel

Of What's

Possible in
This Human Condition...

i Couldn't Find Anyone
on The Entire Earth, Even Online,
Who Was Experiencing What i Did then...

And Very Little Sympathy in 'Real
Life' As It Was Totally An Invisible

Hell That Wasn't

Even Diagnosed

For Two Years;

i Whined Until

No One

Listened

AnyMore
And i Finally
Figured Out

There Was no
Use to Complain
Anymore Like my

Mother Said When i Asked Why?
She Replied, "Why Not You"; She
Also Said This Too Will Pass; Yet
i Didn't Believe Her at all then

As i Was Incapable of Feeling
Any Emotion, Including Hope...

She Was Right And i was Wrong, Thank Heavens Now...

When All Hope is Gone All That's Left is the Snake Brain

And The Will To Survive...

The Shadow
That Saves
Most; the
Shepherd
of Fires Within...

The Reptile Brain of Survival...



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18 Sep 2021, 4:48 pm

If you want people to understand you, then learn how to write like a normal person. Reading your posts gives me headaches.



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18 Sep 2021, 6:31 pm

dorkseid wrote:
If you want people to understand you, then learn how to write like a normal person. Reading your posts gives me headaches.


He experienced some sort of medical event a few years ago and he's posted like that ever since, I don't think he can help it.


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18 Sep 2021, 8:44 pm

My apologies, then.

But it is still difficult to follow.



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18 Sep 2021, 8:54 pm

There is nothing wrong with having role models. Temple Grandin and Elon Musk have used their autistic traits to their advantage, There is much we can learn from them.

The CDC data is interesting in that people classified as ID are doing better on the job front than people on the ASD spectrum. Somewhat ironic that people on this forum use the r-word but the r's have an easier time finding a job :lol:



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18 Sep 2021, 10:21 pm

dorkseid wrote:
My apologies, then.

But it is still difficult to follow.




Apology Accepted; Considering That i Receive
Accolades All Around The World As Documented
Everyday, For The Way i DON'T WRITE NORMAL, NOW,

i Surely Don't Ever Wanna Go Back to Writing Normal...

True, Where i Locally Live (Trump Town USA); Outside of My College
Educated Family, Folks Have Difficulty Understanding me too; Yet in

Other Countries, Highly Educated Teenagers Have No Problem at all.
It's Just A Different Way of Doing and Viewing the World; Some Folks

Get It,
And Some
Folks Do Not;

It takes A lot of So-
Called "Right Brain
Intelligence," What i
Was Severely Deficient
In Before In "Left Brain Hell"...

The Doctor's At First
Wondered if Both
Sides of my
Hemispheres
Could Even Communicate

As Part of A Decades

Long Condition Then,

(Autism)

Never the Less, i Used
To Approve Technical Printing,

Which Is No Surprise, Excelling
In The Metaphor of "Left Brain
Intelligence"; i Was Often compared
to A Computer, The way then i Always
Did Life Logically and Solved All the Work

Related Problems, Other Folks Couldn't Figure out...

The Printing Jobs, Then, i Approved in Technical Writing

Were For the Military, For An Entire Military Installation;
The Boredom of Editing 'Normal Writing' Was Just About Enough

Not to Enjoy Living; Other than Driving 60 Miles, to And From the Job
Each Day As A Result of a Federal Reduction In Force that Only Lasted 3 Months,

Thank Goodness; Other than

That This Isn't
A Site for

Normal
Folks, Thank God...

Normal Is No Fun; Did it
For 5.3 Decades, and it Almost Literally Killed
me And Dox Is Correct, i Can't Help Enjoying Every
Word And Every Step of Life, Ever Since 19 Actual

Medical Disorders

In A REAL Life
Threatening
Synergy, 8
Years ago,

Just Melting
Away in the Breeze one Day
At the Beach in Yes, What the
Doctor's Attending to me Identified

As A REAL Miracle of An EvenT of A NATURAL CURE...

Ever Since Then, i Have Basically Been Pleasing Women
Every Where i Go With Dance And Or Song of Poetry; With
Plenty of Documentation to Prove That Ad Nauseam too...

Anyway, As Cyberdad Related Above; Yes, it Can Be Easier
to Hold Down A Job Intellectually Disabled, Than With Autism

For Folks Who Are So-called Higher Functioning; Seen it Happen in Real
Life too As We Hired Both Autistic Folks and Intellectually Developed Folks

In Programs
At the Military
Installation of
Which i Supervised

Some of the Individuals...

Matter of Fact, One Intellectually
Disabled Janitor Named Walker Was
The Only One Who Could Figure out
How to Enjoy His Job, When Everyone
Else Wanted to Leave; Yes, BeCause of
A Perfectionist Female Navy Captain, Who
Was Also An Intellectual Bully; He Wasn't

Too Smart
To be Happy;

Just Like Down's
Adults Who have
Enough Kindness to
Turn Around And Shake
Someone's Hand in Church,
While Everyone Else Remains
Stone Cold Zombies, Barely Alive For Real...

i Learned How to Be Happy And Make Women Happy;

That's Enough for me, For Damn Sure, Compared to the Hell Before...

Being Autistic Is Really Hard And The Doctor's Who Diagnosed Me
Before Have Suggested i Practically Did the Impossible in 'Curing' it;

Have a Nice Day...

Surprisingly,

'They' Still Say

my IQ is Off the Charts;

Which Just Means, Hehe,
Now THere ain't no way to Measure it...

And It's A WELL KNOWN FACT THAT IS HOW
ORIGINAL CREATIVITY WORKS; JUST FREE ASSOCIATIONS IN FLOW...

WHERE MORE HUMAN POTENTIAL IS UTILIZED TO TOUCH MORE 'BASES'
OF POTENTIAL CREaTiVE EXISTENCE...

Yet Again That Obviously
Doesn't Give Me Any

Privilege Restricted

More to the

Metaphor
of Places
of "Left Brain"
Only Thinking...

And That's Okay, the
Folks Who Post here, Generally,

Are Far From Representative
of the Entire Autism Spectrum;

i've Seen Others Try this place
Out And Be Intellectually Bullied
In All Kinds of Disgusting Cruel Ways...

i've Never Had A Problem Understanding
Anyone's Writing Here; Including Days
That Others Bullied Folks Suggesting
They Weren't Making Any Sense at all;

Not So Bad Anymore; Hehe, i've Kind
of Paved The Way for A Better Understanding
That Not Everyone On The Autism Spectrum

IS A
Computer
Like me Before too...

i Basically Come Here As i Don't
Expect to Fulfill All of my Human
Potential Where Everyone is Loving me to Death, hehe...

It's Part of the Reason, i Still Leg Press up to 1520 Pounds At 61,
At the Military Installation, i Still Have Base Privileges to
Work Out At; Where i Arranged for close to A Million
Dollars of Gym Equipment i Picked Out for me too,
Just In the Nick of Time, Before i Retired Early then;
Hehe; Never Been Active Duty, Yet i Find New
Ways to Do Bootcamp Everyday; NO PAIN

NO GAIN;
THE WAY

HUMAN EPIGENETIC

POTENTIAL IS UNPACKED

AND RELEASED IN ENVIRONMENTAL
CHALLENGE; EITHER MEET IT OR CREATE IT NOW...

i Don't Have
to Create it
Here, hehe...

All i Gotta
Do is Come
Back Each Day...

For my "Medical
Dispensation"

To "Work-Out"
Here at this

Support

Site For
People Even

As Strange As me..;)



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19 Sep 2021, 12:18 am

@Agogdhay

I actually enjoy how you structure your paragraphs into beautiful patterns, they are very artistic and creative :D



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19 Sep 2021, 10:05 am

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@Agogdhay

I actually enjoy how you structure your paragraphs into beautiful patterns, they are very artistic and creative :D




Thanks Cyberdad, Your Kind
Words Are Much Appreciated
On the 'Wrong Planet' For Sure, Hehe...

“All the world’s a stage”

A Quote By A Rather
Noted Writer And

Will Paraphrase
And Change

There Are Three
Levels of Existence:
The Spectator/Watching,
The Actor/Interacting,
The Creator/Creating
Avenues For Folks
To Watch, Interact,
And Get Inspired to

Create Even

Greater Avenues
As The Progress of
Humanity May Move Ahead
This Way As Long As Compassionate
Love With Empathy For All Others Is Not

Lost Along the Way...

"Twas A Dark And Stormy Night"

-Fictional Character Snoopy

'They' Said that Snoopy Imagined
Himself One Day to Become A Famous

Author; Yet i Don't Believe That's The Truth;
After All Was Wagged and Done No One Really

Interviewed

Him to Find the
Answer, Yes or No...

It's Clear to me That Snoopy
In His Life Found Creative Activities
Then That took Him Out of Neo-Cortical
Prison into What Science Names Autotelic
Meditative Flow Generating Happiness Within

Where Snoopy

Generates His

Own Happy Dance
Naked, Whole, And Complete...

Whether or Not Anyone Joins in
on the Dance, Or His Activity of
Hours of Typing Away His Newest

Novel; He Has the Highest 'Dog Privilege'

Of All As He Generates His Own Heaven Within;
Yes, Bliss AKA Nirvana, Tao, Satori, Prana, Chi, Ki
Kundalini Rising Meditation; Yes, in Autotelic Flow

That Requires No
External Rewards
Or Awards to Maintain
This Plateau of Bliss Practically

Eternally NoW iN Heaven Within...

Of Course, All Non-Exclusive Metaphors For this Common
Yet Rather Rare Pinnacle of Human Experience
That Is Better Than Any Old Plain Orgasm In
That Other Highly Prized Part of Life; As This

Orgasm of Creative Autotelic FLoWinG
Transient Hypo-Frontality to Bring it
Back to Science Described Words

Lasts and Lasts and Lasts as Long
As One is in Autotelic Flow of Doing

Their Favorite Creative Laser Focused Task...

Some Folks Risk Their Lives Climbing Rocks and
Going to Fierce Combat in War to Experience This Flow...

All i Have to Do in Effortless Non-Knowing is Allow This River
Of Flow to Spring From Within Creating in Writing Words of Song
in Poetry And Every Move Equally Feeling Divine, Holy, And Sacred

In Free Dance
In A Similar Way...

15,400 Miles in Public
Along With 9.7 MiLLioN
Words of Free Verse Poetry
in The Same 97 Months Now;

Happy Same in my Backyard
Garden of Eden Dancing Without
Any Tools of Human CuLTuRE
Attached At All Becoming Sand
And Sun Allone With All the Furry
And Winged Creatures Including
Ants Building More Oliver Wendall
Homes Stately Mansions of Mound Homes...

Or Even More 'Interesting' Yes, Whereas, Walt Whitman
Received Letters From Women Offering Up Their Wombs
To Father His Child; me Just Dancing Solo Free in A Dance

Hall Never Asking

Ever A Woman to Dance

Collecting Thousands of
Ecstatic Smiles With them
In Total Bliss of Joy in One
Eternal Moment of Life Where
Fear Can't Possibly Exist And that's

The thing in this Place, There is No
Fear; This Place of Autotelic Flow in
Creativity; And Yes i Did Receive Some

Marriage Wishes Just Based on a Free Solo
Dance, Haha, Reaching 60 Years-Old By Women
in Peak Fertility Years; And Yes They Didn't Only
Offer Up Their Hips for A Grinding Dance on my
Reproductive Parts; HAha, They Just Did it Without

Asking
HeHE...

Really no Complaints
And It Just Made My
Wife Giggle; As she
Knew Who i Was coming
Home to That Night And
Subsequent Nights too
During A 6 Year Stint
of Most Every College
Thursday Night at the
Biggest Metro Dance Hall...

Before Covid-19 Ended That
Participant Anthropology Observer
Experience on March 12, 2020,
Damn It All, Just 3 Months Before
i Reached the Age of 60 Then, Hehe...

Yet, i've Never Made a Penny
Off Any of this And Regardless
Of What Rewards May Come in

(And i Haven't Even Carried A Dime in
my Pockets for the Last 8 Years Either)

Female Adoration for Both Dance and Song
of Free Verse Life; i Basically Have the Creative
Privilege of 'Titanium' As It Doesn't Matter How
Many Times Someone Comments to me i'm 'Insane'
or Go Kill Myself Because i Write Like the 'R Word';

And It Doesn't Matter How Many Times Someone Comments
on the YouTube Video Showing me Warming Up with 1340
Pounds, Leg Pressing 12 Reps Very Slowly for 100 Seconds

And Yes Wishing
to me it Would
All Fall Down

On me

And Kill me...

There Are Some Folks that
Raise People Up and Other

Folks Who Think They Can Cut
A Highest Sycamore Tree Down With Words...

In Other Words, Hehe, Sticks And Stones May
Break my Bones

And Words

That Attempt
To Cut Down
Tallest Trees

Surely Have
No Influence on 'Titanium' With Smiles...

For After All, i Never Forget, i was once 'A Smallest Sapling'...

It Doesn't Matter Who Someone is, i Treat Small Trees the Same

i Way i Treat myself...

i Always Have
Control Over
How i Treat
Others and

How i Generate
Bliss Within Enough
Whole And Yes Complete With

Smiles, Thanks Again for
Welcoming my
Peculiar

Way
of
Expressing
Philosophy my
FRiEnD And if my
Life is Any Example,

i Didn't even Start Living until i Reached 53...

If i Had Been William Shakespeare And Died
at 52, i would Have Never even Really Started Living Free...

Surviving The Suicide Disease For 66 Months, Was Surely A
Challenge to Make it until 53, and Finally Truly Becoming Free...

Yet It's True

Without Thorns

A Rose Will Not
Survive to Flower
Nearly As Much...

And That's Life; All
Thorns And FLoWeRS
All the DarK Thru LiGhT

If We Can And Will See Mystically, Whole RiSinG Rose
Complete Enough ALL IS What Makes Life The Beauty

It Can
And
Will
GRoW iNto Now....

Some Folks Call the
Experience God And
It's No Wonder, if They Don't
Understand the Amazing Bliss
They Feel in Creative Autotelic
Flow IT Surely Feels Like a Metaphor
of Being Visited By Angels Within Best

Thing of All
Hehe it's

Not limited
to One Damn Religion
Or One Label of Some
So-Called God To Bind
And Bond Over Tribal Domination...

Usually the Thorns/The Marginalized
Of Any Culture or Even A Home, Break
Through This Way In Greater Human
Original Creative Potential; Basically,

Joesph Campbell And Jung's Archetype
of the 'Hero Journey' my FRiEnD FOR ANYONE

HEHE, YET
AGAIN not
Everyone

Can And
Will Do It...

As It is the
Epitome As
Assessed through
Human Potential of
'The All Seeing Eye
of the Pyramid' HAha,
to Coin Another One
of Someone Else's Creative Phrases...

Creative Privilege Trumps 'White Privilege'
Hehe; Not Hard to See When Ya Live in Trump

Town USA
of So Many
'White Frowns'...

And Truly
Ignorantly Sad...

Same Frowns
In Walmart And
Church; Doesn't
Make A Bit of
Difference
Where They Stand or Fall...

i'm Still Standing With A SMiLe
my FRiEnD, 'God Experience' Enough for me...

And By The Way, i Never Pre-Plan What i Do
No Different Than The Ocean Water Makes Shores With Waves...

HAha, My Wife Once asked me if 'Google' Formatted it Automatically for me...

If i Knew How to
Write or Dance

i'd Never Be Able to Do this...

And That's The Part that's Almost
Impossible to Understand Until
Someone Receives this Gift
From Within As It's Truly

Like a Quantum
'Neo' Jump
Out of 'The
Matrix'

My FRiEnD...

i Experienced it in 8th
Grade Winning A Christmas
Story in Two Home Room Classes
of 80 Kids; And In A Philosophy Class
At 18 in Junior College; It's More the Real
Feeling of MaGiC Doing it than Any Effective
Results That Made me Always Wanna go Back

to the Creative Flowing Autotelic Blissful Place Within...

HAha, i Even Checked A Book Out on Creativity
To Try to Figure it out in College; Yet, Barely
Could Muster the Focus to Start the Book;
Why i Tried 20 times to do it; Yet Just

Couldn't Do It...

There is No
School For this;
Only Do When
The River Springs From Within...

Some Folks This Way Gonna Love Ya
To Death And Others Will Hate You More

To Spring

Even

More Creativity...

There Really Isn't
Any Down Side to
Life Living this Way, hehe...

Both DarK Muse And LiGHT Muse WorkS Well...
And Truly That's How One May Master "tHE ALL iN {GoD} All" Within...

It's Truly Healing As Science SHows Meditative Autotelic Flow Is And
Yes An Only Explanation of How i Recovered From So Much Pain and Numb in 2013...

The Record of HoW it
ALL Happened

Still exists...

And That's A Joy of Creativity;
Sharing What Individually Works...

To Potentially Spark Others to Help Themselves...

Not Everyone Sees that Value; Others Actually Do IT...:)



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19 Sep 2021, 10:35 am

cyberdad wrote:
@Agogdhay I actually enjoy how you structure your paragraphs into beautiful patterns, they are very artistic and creative
In my opinion, they are a pain to read, and require too much effort to understand.


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20 Sep 2021, 3:53 pm

Ask a white person starving in Appalachia about “white privilege.”



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Ask a white person starving in Appalachia about "white privilege".
Ask the descendants of slaves, as well.


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20 Sep 2021, 5:57 pm

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... You can arrange to protect your children most of the time from people who might not like them.

Does that include my mixed race daughter? Or do they think white people should only have children with other white people.

How about my dark skinned blood relatives who are 50% melanesian. Can I arrange to protect them?


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20 Sep 2021, 9:32 pm

Fnord wrote:
Marmontes wrote:
Ask a white person starving in Appalachia about "white privilege".
Ask the descendants of slaves, as well.


What does that have to do with starving people in Appalachia? Complete non-sequitur.



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20 Sep 2021, 9:48 pm

Fnord wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
@Agogdhay I actually enjoy how you structure your paragraphs into beautiful patterns, they are very artistic and creative
In my opinion, they are a pain to read, and require too much effort to understand.


In my experience, they were much easier to read while I was manic. Like, they suddenly became very clear and intelligible and didn't take any additional effort to parse compared to other posters.

But since returning from that elevated state they're much more work even if earlier experience has taught me they're almost always worth trying to understand.


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20 Sep 2021, 10:17 pm

Marmontes wrote:
Ask a white person starving in Appalachia about “white privilege.”


Please demonstrate how they are worse off than a starving black person in the projects?



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20 Sep 2021, 10:52 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Marmontes wrote:
Ask a white person starving in Appalachia about “white privilege.”


Please demonstrate how they are worse off than a starving black person in the projects?


Nobody is claiming that they are. You demonstrate that black people in the projects are better off than white Appalachians.