Does being Right-wing make you a bad person ?

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16 Jan 2022, 6:39 pm


See what I mean about subtlety and its exceptions?


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16 Jan 2022, 7:14 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
If anyone uses their wing to hurt others, they're bad people.

It doesn't matter which wing it is.


This.

It depends on what your beliefs are. I don't have a bone to pick with someone just because we disagree on how taxes should be spent. If you are a homophobe, racist, or sexist, and believe the government ought to reflect those beliefs, then yes, I think you are a bad person.


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16 Jan 2022, 10:40 pm

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When I say Right-wing, I don't just mean racists and neo-fascists as obviously they are bad examples. I mean someone who is a decent human being who happens to be a conservative who advocates free enterprise and private ownership. I seem to think that sometimes I they are all put together along with the racists in one group and seen by the Left and other groups that they all racist, all for the rich people and less sympathetic to the poor people and so when surely that is not always the case. I do find politics hard to understand sometimes and is problematic especially in the UK where we have Conservative, Labour, Liberal and other parties and the US has Republicans and Democrats. But there seems to me this perception that if you are on the Left or maybe in between, then you are good and if you are the Right, then you are bad. I know this may sound like over-generalising but that is how it feels.


Being the kind of right-wibger you describe yourself as doesn't make you a bad person. And 250 years ago, you might have been a leftie, because back then, right wingers were noblemen and royalists, and the awful lefties were businesspeople and tradesmen who wanted a say in politivs - you know, democracy.

but there are some fundamental issues with the status quo - mainly that things have had certain trajectories, and for the last 40 years, the whole world has been steering right, economically, and often towards liberal attitudes, socially. Which means there really isn't much of a society left to speak of, both in an economic sense and in social structure.
This atomisation is a problematic consequence, and the question is: should we move back, from the position of the economic right we ar at (i.e., leftwards), or give up on some of the social liberties (i.e. be more conservative).

personally, I don't think conservatism just won't work in a world where the flows of finance are flipping societies on their head once a decade, and I think social issues will all be alleviated with the wealth distriburion less jarring, so I don't think right wingers are bad people, I just think they think that they can get away. Like, buy a private island where ww3 won't teach them. or fly to mars, to avoid the climate wars. At least, lefties have understood that they, individually, won't be on that island.


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16 Jan 2022, 11:27 pm

chris1989 wrote:
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There are good people on both sides, and there are bad people on both sides. Enough said
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Exactly.


Very true!


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16 Jan 2022, 11:51 pm

No, there are plenty of pragmatic Conservatives who aren't pro-fascist and/or members of a cult that is becoming increasingly terrorist.



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17 Jan 2022, 1:18 am

Mountain Goat wrote:
As far as I understand it...
Communism is the left. Socialism is the mildly left. Marxism is the far left. Capitalism is the right. Nationalism is extreme right etc, etc.

It's more than one dimension.
Economically, "left" is socialist and "right" is capitalist.
Socially, "left" is progressive, "right" is conservative.
Politically, "left" is cosmopolitan, "right" is nationalist.
There's also the liberal-authoritarian question but in reality, every "left" and "right"-leaning party and individual I've encountered have some mix of liberal and authoritarian attitudes towards different issues.

Parties and individuals can match any combination. The party currently ruling here is socialist borderline communist, conservative and nationalist. One point on "far left", two points on "right".

Anyway - willing to harm others is what makes one a bad person.


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17 Jan 2022, 1:40 am

OP should check out Scandinavian and Swiss politics.

Very different to what we're used to in the UK and USA.

Here's a taster....

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17 Jan 2022, 3:39 am

magz wrote:
Anyway - willing to harm others is what makes one a bad person.


That seems a bit broad, are you a complete pacifist?


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17 Jan 2022, 4:02 am

Dox47 wrote:
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Anyway - willing to harm others is what makes one a bad person.

That seems a bit broad, are you a complete pacifist?

No, I'm a pragmatic pacifist.
Even if a war is unavoidable, avoiding unnecessary harm is still a thing.


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17 Jan 2022, 4:24 am

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No, I'm a pragmatic pacifist.
Even if a war is unavoidable, avoiding unnecessary harm is still a thing.


Suppose I have a different idea of what is necessary?


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17 Jan 2022, 4:25 am

Dox47 wrote:
magz wrote:
No, I'm a pragmatic pacifist.
Even if a war is unavoidable, avoiding unnecessary harm is still a thing.


Suppose I have a different idea of what is necessary?

We can discuss.


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17 Jan 2022, 4:37 am

No, it doesn't make individual persons bad. There are plenty of good, moral conservatives. That said, one must remember that the conservative ideology itself leaves much to be desired with it's emphasis on competition, the Pull-yourself-up-by-your-own-bootstraps ubermensch ideal, the denial that government aid is necessary for the welfare and very survival of many individuals, the embrace of the religious right with it's f*cked up theologies (prosperity gospel, dominionism, Christian nationalism, etc.), Social Darwinism, the anti-science hysteria and wholehearted acceptance of conspiracy theories, rejecting that racism is real, and it's flirtation with fascism, just to name a few.


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17 Jan 2022, 10:23 am

Some Conservatives are pro-employers and anti-employees. Since the vast majority of the common people are employees, those Conservatives are against rights for the employees and hence the common people.

- Which can make some Conservatives seem bad people.

For example, some Conservatives are against raising the wages for the employees, and when they want tax cuts, its only for the employers, not the employees.

It's also known as Hypocrisy and Selfishness.

Yes, being a Conservative can sometimes make you a bad person.



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17 Jan 2022, 10:42 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_a ... al_studies

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A study by scientists at New York University and the University of California, Los Angeles, found differences in how self-described liberal and conservative research participants responded to changes in patterns.[27] Participants were asked to tap a keyboard when the letter "M" appeared on a computer monitor and to refrain from tapping when they saw a "W". The letter "M" appeared four times more frequently than "W", conditioning participants to press the keyboard when a letter appears. Liberal participants made fewer mistakes than conservatives during testing and their electroencephalograph readings showed more activity in the anterior cingulate cortex, the part of the brain that deals with conflicting information, during the experiment, suggesting that they were better able to detect conflicts in established patterns.


Biologically and scientifically speaking, it could be said that some Conservatives make more mistakes than Liberals. It's Science.



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17 Jan 2022, 11:29 am

Your science is flawed as it only studied young adults, there is a larger field to be studied to prove the point.



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17 Jan 2022, 11:44 am

That's the type of testing I had in my ADHD assessment. ^^ I scored extremely low on tapping the right letter because my mind would wander. Based on their logic I would be a far-right Conservative, which I'm not. Did they account for people's other conditions like ADHD, visual processing delays, physical dexterity, etc?


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