God - real?

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I'm not sure about whether I believe in God or not. I feel like I want to because you know otherwise when I die there's likely gonna be nothing and the thought of just dying and there's nothing else scares me honestly. But then I also look at the world and see how things are, like kids being abused and people dying of hunger etc and I struggle to see and believe that the guy who made it all just sits and lets it happen. I think of my mum, she got ill mentally and jumped in to a busy road and was killed. God didn't stop her jumping and he didn't stop the car that struck her, so given that and the other horrible things that happens I don't really believe anymore.

Your thoughts guys?

Although knowing one is dying may well deeply disturb and frighten almost anyone, atheist and believers alike, once you're dead, if there's nothing left of "you" at that point, there can by definition be no fear left.

Assuming one dies in one's sleep, then it's simply a matter of falling into a deep sleep, then never waking up. That seems like a seamless and painless transition into nothingness, to me, anyway.

“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.”
― Mark Twain

Darron

I see no reason to believe in gods, personally. I don't believe in faeries or trolls either.

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Is "God Real?"

i Suppose A Shortest
And Longest Answer

IS

IT Depends
On What This
IT IS By Human
Experiencing, Labeling,
And Overall Definitions.

Even Without Words, From When
i Was Three, Before i Could Speak
At Four On the Autism Spectrum;
Albeit, A Bit Blessed with 'Hyperlexia,'

Able to So Easily Decode Symbols in
My Environment (And Yes Create New Symbols Now) Yes
Eventually A Precocious Reader When Those Tool Came Available

in my Environment too...

Yes, Even Without Words, When i Was Three, Before i Could Speak,

i Naturally Felt and Sensed This 'God,' This Little '3 Letter Word' That
Humans Now Abstractly Construct as Label IS the "Interrelationship of

All of Existence," LooKinG Across the River Bank to The Forest Where i am
Raised Then in A 'Shot-Gun Home' Down-Town Where i Still Live So Easy Then

To Sense And Feel

And Even Put Into Words

Now; i Am A Leaf Green That Feeds

A Living Tree That Falls Brown to Soils

Fertilizing A Leaf of Grass Green in Spring

And That's Pretty Much me in a Nut-Shell Or Fertilized Egg,

i Am 'God' Incarnate in Form of Life on Earth No Different

Than A Leaf,
A Tree,

And

A Forest

Enough, Naked,

Whole, Complete

Yes Still Growing
Free From River
FLoWinG View me...

Other Than That From The Eyes
of A Non-Verbal Child of Three Now Transforming
That Experiencing ALL into Breath of Free Verse Poetry,

THere is Mystical Religion That One May Find Even in
Dogmatic Versions of Modern Religions, if One Seeks
And Finds Deep Enough Where The Unity of DarK And LiGHT

Both Seen
And Unseen

In This Interrelationship

Of All That is Matures More in

Faith in the Feel and Sense That

All of Existence DarK Thru LiGHT

Is Worth Understanding And Loving

As Every Inhale of Peace Exhale of LoVE iN JoY oF LiGHT

And DarK Brings Fire Of Real Living Organic SPiRiT, HeART,

And SoUL Within of Feelings, Senses, Emotions, Naked Enough, Whole,

Complete Driving Giving, Sharing, Caring, Healing to All of Existence

Marrying

The Night

Merrying

The Day With

BreaKinG Dawn oF LoVE THiS WaY...

It May Take Folks Until THeir Last Breath

to Reunite Themselves With All of Nature This
Way Separating From Birth into Us And Them And That And This...

It May Take Folks Until THeir Last Breath to Reunite Their Mind And Body
Experiencing Life As One Whole Flowing Experience This Way One With Nature Real...

It May Take Folks Until THeir Last Breath to Reunite Both Hemispheres of Mind And all
The Other Material Reductionist Parts as Described in Science And So Much More to Feel

And Sense Life is
More Eternally

Now
Than
Only

Thoughts,

One With

All That is
Again if Ever
Before ReMeMBeRinG
This Experience Naked,
Enough, Whole, Complete

And as Far As Death Goes
And Comes Around Again
When Our First Pet or Loved
One Dies It May Take Until The

Last Breath of Life to Understand

What Being Human Really Means At ALL;

Giving, Sharing, Caring, Healing So Much Love That Our Love LiveS On
In EYes too Numerous to Count in Night Sky Stars So Long... So Long...

SMiLes, Dogmatic Religion is Rather Left Brain Limited as
Metaphor in Trying to Master and Control Existence into

Sidewalks

of Life

One May

Convince themselves

That Leads in Only Black and

White Ways of Life, Like Heaven

And Hell After Death and Sure Add Purgatory
too, More Important that Life Now too, Hehe, if one is

Dogmatic Catholic too...

Mystical Religion Embraces Chaos, the Great Unknown,

The Mysteries, Rivers Without Banks That Will Never Be Totally Uncovered and Revealed

As We are only Part of God Whole With Always So Much More of God (Existence) to Explore

As Again the Interrelationship of All of Existence Beyond All Names Beyond All Forms Indeed...

If One is Looking For a Label And a Definition to Make this Feel More Secure and Concrete Perhaps

This Quick

Google
Research

Result May

Make What i am
Speaking of Feel
And Sense More Real;

Yet It's Worth Noting again,

i Didn't Need Any Words At

All for Truest 'Knowledge' of Existential Intelligence
All Innate, Instinctual, And Intuitive From Naked Born on Date...

Ah, An Advantage of 'the Non-Verbal Child' on the Autism Spectrum Indeed....
Seeing All of Nature 'God

Real' Before

Words

Tend to
Imprison
All That is

Into Containers
On Storage Shelves

To Grow Old, MOld, And Rot...

“Panentheism” is a constructed word composed of the English equivalents
of the Greek terms “pan”, meaning all, “en”, meaning in, and “theism”, derived
from the Greek 'theos' meaning God. Panentheism considers God and the world

to be inter-related with the world being in God and God being in the world."

-A Definition From Standford University

~Truly Sad One Would Have to Go to University to 'See' This Reality Indeed...

However, NDD, Nature Deficit Disorder; HNDD, Human Nature Deficit Disorder;

And GDD God Deficit Disorder; All Basically the Same Disorder is Pervasive Now More
Than Ever Indeed....

-The Child

~Without Words
At Three Who
Is Able to 'See'....

Yeah, It's True, it Basically
Took me Until 50 Years-Old
on the 'Wrong Planet' to Find

Some Words to Speak, Dance and Sing This; Yet
As 'They Say', Reality is Stranger Than Fiction Indeed...

-me

~And...

"There are more
things in heaven and earth,
Horatio, than are dreamt of

in your philosophy.”

-Shakespeare

~i'm Just A No Body
Online; Folks Tend
to Listen More to What And Who Has
Already Come to Fortune And Fame Most...

So i Exercise All 'The CuLTuRaL Tools' At Hand too...

And meh, i've Already Been Called Legend And Famous
And Hero And All That Human Archetypal Jazz Just Through
A Free Public Dance Now of 16,044 Miles in the Span
of 100 Months; Even Documented As Such
In a Viral Voyeur Video Someone Else Took
With Almost 90,000 Views And 1300
Comments Or So, on Facebook Relating
That And A Few
Not So Nice
Assessments
of my Non-Verbal
Dancing Free Humanity

True, too;

i Was No More Impressed By That
'Applause' Than Reciprocal Shining
Smiles And Eyes Interacting With
Every Day Humans Handing Them
Out Rental Shoes For Almost Two
Decades As A Federal Employee At
A Bowling Center There And Eventually
Manager Still With No Desire to Bowl, Hehe;

It's What A Non-Verbal Child, Eventually Earning
Three Degrees Does After Getting Out of College
With Three Degrees; Ya Share A Smile At Best And
Loving Eyes Together With ALL, For A Real Meaning And Purpose Of Making
$3.69 An Hour, Hoping For Full Time One Day Hehe to Still Thrive And Survive;

Meh, Naked, Enough
Whole Complete
At Three

With No
Words and

A Living Loving Smile
Shining Crystal Clear Green to Blue
EYes For All; Returning Again Reborn SaMe; First,
Yeah, Moving Through Purgatory And HeLL ON EartH
For 66 Months of Type-Two Trigeminal Neuralgia, The
Worst Pain Known to Humankind From Wake to Sleep
No Drug Would Touch; Along With a Synergy Then of
18 Other Life Threatening Disorders As i Had No

Choice Then

Yet to Marry

The Night

And One

Day Merry
The DaY ETernAlly Now Again
So i Did, So i Do IT Now, Even More,

i Love...

A Bit of Simple Advice, Do Play
Free As Play Slays Fear And Opens
A Way to LovinG iT ALL DarK Thru LiGHT;

i Do It With Over 10,000,000 Words of Free
Verse Poetry in Literally A Longest EPiC Long
Form Poem Ever Recorded in History And 16,044
Miles of Public Dance Also in 100 Months Is Yes,
More Than Half the Equator Distance Around The Globe

And Yes, i Most Definitely Play Naked Yet That Is Not
Suitable For Wrong Planet Community Standards Hehe;

Find Your Own Way
to Play You Are

Comfortable

With And

If You Can
And Will 'Just
Do it' in 'Nike Goddess
of Victory' WaY in Slaying Fear

And Yes, No Need to 'Sell Shoes';
Playing Free Barefoot Free Is Best to me at Least..

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I believe in God, if i didn't i would commit suicide long ago. Dying doesn't scare me as much as going to hell.

As for the horrible things that happen, i believe this life wasn't made to be enjoyed as a perfect paradise, more like a trial people have to pass.

I have to say, as an atheist, that if your belief truly kept you here with us, then I must say "Thank you, God!".

But also, "Damn you, God, for creating an existence where fear of eternal punishment drives some people's actions in both positive and very negative ways".

Darron

As a kind of allegory then I can see how its possible to believe in something called a 'god'.

Though I suspect that most believe in it in relation to supernatural being.

I am not aware of any empirical evidence to support the existance of a one god as proposed by the abrahamic religions or multiple ones as defined by the polytheistic.

For this reason and the fact that I am unable to accept this as a reasonable proposition I have no personal belief.

I have no negative views in relation to those that do - provided they do not try to involve me in their religious activities.

Then you should watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiYf6ITgWbk It might help clear up your fear of Hell.You should watch it too. To be fair, even most Christians don't really have a good understanding of what the Bible actually says about Hell. Many of us live in fear of Hell, when we don't actually need to. Technically, Atheists don't either as you too can leave Hell at any time. Any decision to stay there is your own.

Interesting. My knowledge of the finer points of theology is indeed, sorely lacking.

I tend to be dismissive of the benefits of belief, with the simple admonition that "you can find those same benefits in a secular framework of thought, without the burdens of rigid dogma and supernatural baggage", despite recognizing that objectively positive messages can and often have been inserted into the dogma of many religions, just in a form that I find needlessly burdened with the padding.

Darron

there's an ancient roman text by a certain Lucretius, de rerum natura - on the nature of things. Though roman, it's based on even older Greek texts. It describes a world without god, where everything is made of atoms, and it describes how atoms form ever more complex configurations. It describes how simple life forms became more complex life, how humans evolved from cave people into civilized Greeks - it's interesting. From the standpoint of the author, it's all speculation, but he was bang on, although his version was very simplified.

the poem is possibly a fragment, no one knows, only two copies survived into modern times. But it ends rather bleakly, describing the plague in ancient Athens, and family members fighting over wood to burn their deceased. And there it just ends, very unceremoniously.

regarding hell, however, that might still be a net positive...

As werner herzog put it: the universe knows no smile, and we should be grateful for that.

No I don't think there are any real deities or magical beings, no cosmic plan, no immortal soul, no particular designed purpose for the human race or anything else. I think a person's life is about whatever they decide it's about. It can't be proved or disproved definitively, but from what I've seen of things I reckon the balance of probabilities is very strongly against the existence of deities. So much so that if my life depended on guessing the correct answer to the question "is there literally a god?" then I'd have to guess that there isn't, because I don't want to die.

We're possibly the only species that can anticipate our own death. So I'm not surprised that people have believed there to be an afterlife for so long. It must be a great comfort to think that you've scored enough good behaviour points to earn a happy post-life experience, that you won't cease to exist, but it's not a belief I can honestly hold. And not existing isn't painful. All I can hope for about my death is that it won't be for a while yet and that when it happens I won't know anything about it. Though it's a great shame that after decades of refining and enhancing your wisdom and strengths, in the end it all just rots away into nothing, and our fight against chaos ultimately fails.

We are the Universe.

Or to be specific a small fragment of it. Though some say the Universe, maybe holographic, so like a hologram, the fragment contains the whole.

If the totality of the Universe = God . God = Totality. We are then fragment of Totality. I guess thats what "made in the image and likeness means."

Is the Universe Real? Universe is manifestation of existence that we perceive, through our sense perception. In that sense, it is as real as you can get.

Short answer: no.

Long answer: In my opinion if "God" was real there would've been something sure to prove it. There is nothing, only things that people can claim[i][/i] are because of "God", but that is only superstition.

Real within the limits of your imagination.

I have believed in God since I was old enough to feel. I've always had a deep connection that came from inside, meaning it wasn't taught to me.

I've never been alone because of this. I've had confirmation multiple times that completely surprised me.

This gives me comfort but most of all, purpose, responsibility to be the best person I can. The reason for this is that God gives free-will.

God is the only thing in my life that has never caused me pain. I do not blame him for the actions of the world.

I'm curious as to what the Bible says about the Norse underworld too.