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12 Jun 2025, 11:11 pm

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The woke left outcast me for being too white.


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12 Jun 2025, 11:20 pm

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The woke left outcast me for being too white.
The woke right want to kill me for not being white enough.

I wish people would stop with the identity politics. We should put our focus on class consciousness because you know the wealthy elite are getting off on it and making money taking advantage of the anger and division.



Who on earth is 'outcasting you for being too white'? I suppose there are a couple situations where that might happen, but almost all mature activists would agree that everyone needs to be included in the conversation? Unless maybe we have different definitions of 'outcast', which I would be interested in hearing what that entails.



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12 Jun 2025, 11:42 pm

10Lubak wrote:
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The woke left outcast me for being too white.
The woke right want to kill me for not being white enough.

I wish people would stop with the identity politics. We should put our focus on class consciousness because you know the wealthy elite are getting off on it and making money taking advantage of the anger and division.



Who on earth is 'outcasting you for being too white'? I suppose there are a couple situations where that might happen, but almost all mature activists would agree that everyone needs to be included in the conversation? Unless maybe we have different definitions of 'outcast', which I would be interested in hearing what that entails.


There's accusing me of white privilege despite the color of my skin never got me anywhere. There's trying to make me feel bad and blame me for crap my ancestors may have done to natives and slaves and minorities which I had nothing to do with. I have Native American ancestry but they don't care. Sure people can lie about having Native American in their family, but I have family records to back it up. Again they don't care. The far right however sees this as an impurity making me a target for purging once they fully take control.

WHERE DO I BELONG?! !! I am just sick of people and their fringe politics.


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12 Jun 2025, 11:48 pm

I suppose the question is how would you know you don't benefit from white privilege? It's not like someone will directly tell you that they 'trust you more because you're white' or whatever. Perhaps you truly haven't gotten anywhere based off of skin color... but many people of color are actively taken backwards. Additionally- I don't think you should feel personally responsible for mass atrocities (I don't think that's a very popular opinion in general), but what is important is acknowledging the true and full history with how it effects society today- and how we make a more just world for everyone.



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12 Jun 2025, 11:50 pm

Aspiegaming wrote:
10Lubak wrote:
Aspiegaming wrote:
The woke left outcast me for being too white.
The woke right want to kill me for not being white enough.

I wish people would stop with the identity politics. We should put our focus on class consciousness because you know the wealthy elite are getting off on it and making money taking advantage of the anger and division.



Who on earth is 'outcasting you for being too white'? I suppose there are a couple situations where that might happen, but almost all mature activists would agree that everyone needs to be included in the conversation? Unless maybe we have different definitions of 'outcast', which I would be interested in hearing what that entails.


There's accusing me of white privilege despite the color of my skin never got me anywhere. There's trying to make me feel bad and blame me for crap my ancestors may have done to natives and slaves and minorities which I had nothing to do with. I have Native American ancestry but they don't care. Sure people can lie about having Native American in their family, but I have family records to back it up. Again they don't care. The far right however sees this as an impurity making me a target for purging once they fully take control.

WHERE DO I BELONG?! ! ! I am just sick of people and their fringe politics.


You have my sympathies as someone who also feels like a second class citizen on both sides. My dad was Polynesian but my Mom is white. I pass for white but I'm also a homosexual and I am diagnosed with autism and a mental illness.

Guess which side of the family accepts me for what I am after my parents divorced? Clearly not all white people are THAT horrible. But you can't convince the woke left white kids of this. They only see the world in absolutes, literally a "black and white" mindset. Anyone with a mixed experience like mine does not exist to them.



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12 Jun 2025, 11:53 pm

Aspiegaming wrote:
10Lubak wrote:
Aspiegaming wrote:
The woke left outcast me for being too white.
The woke right want to kill me for not being white enough.

I wish people would stop with the identity politics. We should put our focus on class consciousness because you know the wealthy elite are getting off on it and making money taking advantage of the anger and division.



Who on earth is 'outcasting you for being too white'? I suppose there are a couple situations where that might happen, but almost all mature activists would agree that everyone needs to be included in the conversation? Unless maybe we have different definitions of 'outcast', which I would be interested in hearing what that entails.


There's accusing me of white privilege despite the color of my skin never got me anywhere. There's trying to make me feel bad and blame me for crap my ancestors may have done to natives and slaves and minorities which I had nothing to do with. I have Native American ancestry but they don't care. Sure people can lie about having Native American in their family, but I have family records to back it up. Again they don't care. The far right however sees this as an impurity making me a target for purging once they fully take control.

WHERE DO I BELONG?! ! ! I am just sick of people and their fringe politics.


For starters, white privilege isn't really an accusation. Calling it an accusation suggests that someone's claiming it's something you've done, rather than merely a social dynamic that you benefit from.

This misunderstanding seems to be behind a lot of the whining about the term, or related privilege categories. They're reduced into a personal accusation so they can be dismissed on the ground that one didn't personally do anything to create the situation.

Effectively it's a distraction technique used to hijack what should be a rather dry discussion of social dynamics into a whinefest about everyone's personal struggles and how they somehow disprove the idea of white (or whatever) privilege.

Also, the American far-right doesn't seem to concerned about purity of one's bloodline. They're focused on white identity much more than a 'pure' bloodline. s**t, if you're mixed enough they'll gladly spend you as a token to distract from accusations of white supremacist sympathies.


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12 Jun 2025, 11:55 pm

The left doesnt own the monopoly on what is "moral".



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12 Jun 2025, 11:55 pm

You have my sympathies as someone who also feels like a second class citizen on both sides. My dad was Polynesian but my Mom is white. I pass for white but I'm also a homosexual and I am diagnosed with autism and a mental illness.

Guess which side of the family accepts me for what I am after my parents divorced? Clearly not all white people are THAT horrible. But you can't convince the woke left white kids of this. They only see the world in absolutes, literally a "black and white" mindset. Anyone with a mixed experience like mine does not exist to them.[/quote]

I think generalizing your very specific family and 'which side accepts you' can't really expand to apply to this large of a social issue. I agree that your observation of the lack of understanding of intersectionality/differing experiences etc. is plaguing most all of politic discourse these days.



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13 Jun 2025, 12:00 am

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The left doesnt own the monopoly on what is "moral".


As long as the right is preaching that empathy is a sin they've abandoned any ownership stake in the concept of morality that they might have once possessed.


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13 Jun 2025, 12:02 am

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But you can't convince the woke left white kids of this. They only see the world in absolutes, literally a "black and white" mindset. Anyone with a mixed experience like mine does not exist to them.


I'm not sure this is a genuine problem the left has, so much as it's your personal perception which is distorted by your own tendencies towards black-and-white thinking.


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13 Jun 2025, 12:06 am

funeralxempire wrote:
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But you can't convince the woke left white kids of this. They only see the world in absolutes, literally a "black and white" mindset. Anyone with a mixed experience like mine does not exist to them.


I'm not sure this is a genuine problem the left has, so much as it's your personal perception which is distorted by your own tendencies towards black-and-white thinking.



I'd say that it is at least in some spaces at some times- there is a tendency to write people off, especially among young people (classic example being cancel culture I guess)



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10Lubak wrote:
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But you can't convince the woke left white kids of this. They only see the world in absolutes, literally a "black and white" mindset. Anyone with a mixed experience like mine does not exist to them.


I'm not sure this is a genuine problem the left has, so much as it's your personal perception which is distorted by your own tendencies towards black-and-white thinking.



I'd say that it is at least in some spaces at some times- there is a tendency to write people off, especially among young people (classic example being cancel culture I guess)


I'm not convinced cancel culture was ever a real thing, so much as an invention of conservative media when they realized the Overton window had shifted slightly and they chose to create a moral panic over behaviours that the right was quite fond of when they were the ones engaging in them.

Basically, the moral panic over cancel culture wasn't because of cancel culture as some sort of new phenomenon, it was because finally the right started to be on the receiving end of behaviours they had gleefully engaged in for ages.

We've had some threads on the topic in the past.


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13 Jun 2025, 12:15 am

How is cancel culture not a real thing?



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How is cancel culture not a real thing?


Because it was a moral panic, no more real than "the war on Christmas".


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13 Jun 2025, 12:18 am

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I'm not convinced cancel culture was ever a real thing, so much as an invention of conservative media when they realized the Overton window had shifted slightly and they chose to create a moral panic over behaviours that the right was quite fond of when they were the ones engaging in them.

Basically, the moral panic over cancel culture wasn't because of cancel culture as some sort of new phenomenon, it was because finally the right started to be on the receiving end of behaviours they had gleefully engaged in for ages.

We've had some threads on the topic in the past.


To be clear I wasn't meaning to say it's unique to the left, I meant that it is a thing that humans in general fall into- O agree that some of it was overblown in reaction as opposed to being that severe in the first place.



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funeralxempire wrote:
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How is cancel culture not a real thing?


Because it was a moral panic, no more real than "the war on Christmas".


I agree about the War on Christmas being BS but cancel culture sure wasn't.