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29 Jun 2025, 7:13 pm

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Many authorities seem to define Socialism as Communism achieved by peaceful means but most self-described Socialists don't agree with that. Technically, they are Social Democrats as I understand it. Bernie Sanders is probably a Social Democrat.

I think Social Democracy became widespread in Europe after WWII because countries there were devastated by the war, but survivors had a strong work ethic and a burning need to rebuild. I don't think the US has the proper political culture for SD to succeed.

Bear in mind Social Democracy has also been in decline in Europe for quite some time.


Americans still see communism as the biggest threat to them, even though the Cold War has been over for more than 30 years. Because of decades of red scare propaganda, many people use the terms "socialism" and "communism" to refer to anything that deviates from right-wing populism, whether it be McCarthyism in the 50s or MAGA today. In college, I had a math professor who considered Canada to be a "communist" country.

The Eastern Bloc no longer exists. China is communist in name only at this point, as is Vietnam. Cuba is the only truly Marxist-Leninist state left.


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29 Jun 2025, 7:26 pm

In the OP I opined that if the other candidates stepped aside, Mamdani might lose to Sliwa.

My opinion is an extreme outlier. The conventional wisdom is Sliwa is too flaky. All the never Mamdani money and press is going to Adams. It is noted that Sliwa was crushed by Adams in the 2021 mayoral race. In that race, Sliwa was running against another law and order candidate who was a cop. Mamdani is a wholly different candidate. Also, while Cuomo conceded the primary, he is not conceding the general. He seems to be in a wait-and-see mode.

At the moment, it looks like Mamdani will win handily.


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30 Jun 2025, 6:13 pm

New York luxury landlords draft Israeli equity swap amid socialist upset

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Forty-eight hours after democratic-socialist Zohran Mamdani vaulted past former governor Andrew Cuomo to win New York City’s Democratic mayoral primary, inboxes at several Manhattan law firms were filling with the same question: How fast can we get our money out, and where should it go?

As result, a handful of veteran Jewish real-estate investors from the New York area told The Jerusalem Post this week, they are drafting an “equity-swap” proposal that would let New York homeowners offset expected losses from Mamdani’s surprise Democratic mayoral-primary victory by buying apartments in Israel.

The businessmen, each owning substantial commercial and residential skyscrapers in Manhattan, as well as other areas in New York City, said they spent the weekend refining a one-page outline for Israel’s Finance Ministry. Under the plan, a US seller who can prove a post-primary drop in appraised value would receive a dollar-denominated Israeli escrow voucher for the amount of vanished equity, provided the owner purchases an Israeli residence of equal value within 12 months.

“My Midwood duplex was worth about $1 million last year,” one investor said. “Since Mamdani promised a rent freeze and millionaire surtax, offers are landing closer to $750,000. If Israel makes up the missing $250k on a Tel Aviv flat, I’ll move the family tomorrow.”

A second investor added: “You can’t dump buildings fast without taking a haircut. Give us a one-year window and an Israeli voucher equal to the wiped-out equity, and a lot of Five Towns people will bite.”

The men who spoke with the Post asked to remain unnamed to avoid spooking lenders while they refinance loans. An Israeli government official confirmed that “diaspora-linked housing instruments” have been discussed informally but stressed that no decision has been taken.

Why the panic – and who else is alarmed?
Mamdani, a 33-year-old democratic-socialist assemblyman, vaulted past Cuomo and other candidates in the 25 June ranked-choice primary, making him the general-election front-runner in a heavily Democratic city.

Wall Street investors responded with barely concealed alarm: “It’s officially hot commie summer,” hedge-fund billionaire Dan Loeb wrote on X minutes after the results posted.

Investor Bill Ackman told Fox Business he would “bankroll any centrist willing to beat Mamdani… an opportunity to save our city and be a superhero.” Grocery-chain owner John Catsimatidis warned he would sell or close his Manhattan supermarkets if a socialist reached City Hall.

Share prices of New York-focused real-estate investment trusts and local banks fell 4-6 percent the next morning on rent-freeze fears, while luxury-broker Ryan Serhant told the New York Post his phone rang “within minutes” with clients seeking escape plans.

‘Overnight the equity is gone’
During a call with the Post, two businessmen sketched the math they say is gripping outer-borough owners: “You own a house you thought was worth a million; overnight it’s worth seven-hundred grand, your equity is wiped out and taxes are going to double,” the first investor said. “You still pay the same mortgage, but you can’t get out.”
“Florida is crazy expensive now,” the second added. “Palm Beach? Impossible. Israel suddenly looks cheap – if the government helps bridge the gap.”

The pair estimated that even a pilot capped at 5,000 vouchers, roughly US $1 billion in equity credits, could funnel fresh dollars into Israel’s economy without overheating prices. “Move five thousand families and you inject a billion dollars into Israel,” the first investor said. “It’s free money – and it’s strategic.”

Other countries have deployed time-limited incentives to channel at-risk capital. Comparable schemes already exist elsewhere: Singapore’s Global Investor Program fast-tracks permanent residence for foreigners investing at least S$10 million in a local business or S$25 million in an approved fund. El Salvador’s “Freedom Visa” grants citizenship within six weeks for a US$1 million investment in Bitcoin or USDT, a program already 60 percent subscribed.

Israel Bonds, the state’s classic diaspora fundraising tool, have attracted more than US$5 billion since the October 7 war, showing continued appetite for Israeli sovereign paper, but no previous issue has been collateralised with overseas property.

Early market tremors
Brokers say asking prices for small multifamily buildings in northern Brooklyn have dropped 7-10 percent since the primary as buyers model steeper taxes and stalled rent growth. Reuters reported similar jitters among lenders worried about owners’ ability to service debt under a freeze.

Commercial real-estate lobbyists, stung by Cuomo’s defeat, are now urging Adams, running as an independent, to consolidate the moderate vote. “The industry is looking to the mayor for salvation,” the trade journal Commercial Observer wrote.

The businessmen who spoke with the Post saud they are lining up Zoom briefings with Jewish federations in Brooklyn, Queens and Nassau County to gauge demand. They insist the plan is not limited to Jews. “Plenty of Italian, Greek and Asian landlords are calling brokers too,” one investor noted. “But Israel has the cultural pull, and right now, an apartment in Jerusalem looks like an insurance policy.”

With polls showing Mamdani maintaining a double-digit lead, one investor said urgency is rising. “The second Trump is out of office, something crazy happens, pack your bags,” he warned. “People aren’t waiting for November. They’re pricing their exits now. If Israel offers a clear path, a significant slice of that capital will go there instead of Miami.”


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30 Jun 2025, 9:20 pm

I wish I could emigrate to Sweden, or any social democratic country, but I will never meet any country's requirements.

As much as I want AOC to be the next president, red and purple states would do voter suppression more aggressively if she's the nominee than did when Obama, H.R. Clinton, Biden, and Harris were running, because conservatives absolutely can't stomach the thought of a millennial woman of color being president.

We all know why they voted for Trump instead of Harris, and it had nothing to do with eggs.


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01 Jul 2025, 1:42 am

Sure wish , he did not have the anti zionist point of veiw, kinda of a buzz kill. Otherwise Yaay for New York.


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01 Jul 2025, 11:19 am

From what I seen/heard from him, he's seems like a quite interesting person. Skilled as well.


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I wish I could emigrate to Sweden, or any social democratic country, but I will never meet any country's requirements.


I would more than welcome you...seems like we share some political views. Unfortunately Sweden has changed (to the worse). I think you would appreciate Denmark or Norway better.
I also read that you are interested in geology and geography. Is that something you would be up to discussing? I'm doing some petrology studies at the moment, petrographic microscope.


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01 Jul 2025, 1:12 pm

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New York luxury landlords draft Israeli equity swap amid socialist upset
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A second investor added: “You can’t dump buildings fast without taking a haircut. Give us a one-year window and an Israeli voucher equal to the wiped-out equity, and a lot of Five Towns people will bite.”

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Why Five Towns? That's not in NYC, that's in Nassau County. Why would property values be going down in Five Towns?


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New York luxury landlords draft Israeli equity swap amid socialist upset
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A second investor added: “You can’t dump buildings fast without taking a haircut. Give us a one-year window and an Israeli voucher equal to the wiped-out equity, and a lot of Five Towns people will bite.”

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Why Five Towns? That's not in NYC, that's in Nassau County. Why would property values be going down in Five Towns?


I would have thought that property values on Long Island would go up like they did during COVID. My guess is irrationality caused by panic. Compared to NYC Pro Palestinian activity has been minimal on Long Island, the Nassau County Executive is MAGA, his Democratic opponent is a staunch Zionist who disagrees with Mamdani’s approach(but does not favor deporting him).


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Why Five Towns? That's not in NYC, that's in Nassau County. Why would property values be going down in Five Towns?


I would have thought that property values on Long Island would go up like they did during COVID.

That's what I would have expected, too.

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My guess is irrationality caused by panic.

Extreme irrationality, in this case, or so it seems to me.

EDIT: Or maybe not. Maybe property values really are going down in the entire metro area, but for a different reason. See my next post, below.


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A couple of other things in this news story that don't make sense to me:

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The businessmen who spoke with the Post saud they are lining up Zoom briefings with Jewish federations in Brooklyn, Queens and Nassau County to gauge demand. They insist the plan is not limited to Jews. “Plenty of Italian, Greek and Asian landlords are calling brokers too,” one investor noted. “But Israel has the cultural pull, and right now, an apartment in Jerusalem looks like an insurance policy.”

Hmmm, I thought Israel was always wanting more and more Jews to immigrate to Israel, but what would Israel get out of extending the same offer to non-Jews? How would that help Israel's desire to maintain a Jewish majority? Or are they just desperate to prop up property values over there, given the war with Iran? Or perhaps desperate to do anything to reduce indigenous Palestinians to a teeny tiny minority?

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With polls showing Mamdani maintaining a double-digit lead, one investor said urgency is rising. “The second Trump is out of office, something crazy happens, pack your bags,” he warned. “People aren’t waiting for November. They’re pricing their exits now. If Israel offers a clear path, a significant slice of that capital will go there instead of Miami.”

They're worried about "crazy" things happening as a result of Trump leaving office? How about all the crazy things happening as a result of Trump being in office?

Hmmm, thinking about this, I just now noticed:

They completely omit one likely cause of property values going down in the entire metro area: Lots of immigrants, including well-to-do immigrants, deciding that the U.S.A. is just too dangerous a place to be an immigrant these days, due to Trump's policies. And the well-to-do immigrants are the ones who can afford to leave, leaving behind only the poor and working-class immigrants who have nowhere else to go (other than a concentration camp in El Salvador).

Oh, but right wing "businessmen" can't admit that that's a problem, I guess.


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Mona Pereth wrote:
A couple of other things in this news story that don't make sense to me:

ASPartOfMe wrote:
New York luxury landlords draft Israeli equity swap amid socialist upset
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The businessmen who spoke with the Post saud they are lining up Zoom briefings with Jewish federations in Brooklyn, Queens and Nassau County to gauge demand. They insist the plan is not limited to Jews. “Plenty of Italian, Greek and Asian landlords are calling brokers too,” one investor noted. “But Israel has the cultural pull, and right now, an apartment in Jerusalem looks like an insurance policy.”

Hmmm, I thought Israel was always wanting more and more Jews to immigrate to Israel, but what would Israel get out of extending the same offer to non-Jews? How would that help Israel's desire to maintain a Jewish majority? Or are they just desperate to prop up property values over there, given the war with Iran? Or perhaps desperate to do anything to reduce indigenous Palestinians to a teeny tiny minority?

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New York luxury landlords draft Israeli equity swap amid socialist upset
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With polls showing Mamdani maintaining a double-digit lead, one investor said urgency is rising. “The second Trump is out of office, something crazy happens, pack your bags,” he warned. “People aren’t waiting for November. They’re pricing their exits now. If Israel offers a clear path, a significant slice of that capital will go there instead of Miami.”

They're worried about "crazy" things happening as a result of Trump leaving office? How about all the crazy things happening as a result of Trump being in office?

Hmmm, thinking about this, I just now noticed:

They completely omit one likely cause of property values going down in the entire metro area: Lots of immigrants, including well-to-do immigrants, deciding that the U.S.A. is just too dangerous a place to be an immigrant these days, due to Trump's policies. And the well-to-do immigrants are the ones who can afford to leave, leaving behind only the poor and working-class immigrants who have nowhere else to go (other than a concentration camp in El Salvador).

Oh, but right wing "businessmen" can't admit that that's a problem, I guess.

I guess they think the next President will be a Jew Hating socialist.
Something that confuses me. Did the investor mean when Adams leaves? If Trump leaves it will not be until January 2029 over three years after this November.


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04 Jul 2025, 8:54 am

I don’t expect a Mamhandi mayoralty to be openly antisemitic or thinly disguised antisemitic. I expect him to show up in support at scenes of antisemitic incidents etc. He will do this without giving up core anti zionist principles.

OTOH I do expect some people to interpret his election as a signal for violence against zionists in general and Jews in particular. In that way it will resemble groups such as the Proud Boys interpreting Trump’s remarks as signals. With Trump we have 10 years of experience to conclude he is deliberately signaling his “patriots”. Mamdani is new to the scene it is too soon to judge. If Mamdani does deliberately signal it won’t be as blatantly obvious, he is a wholly different personality.

Unfortunately the man is going to require a degree of security unheard of for previous mayors. Just dealing with elections that do not go our way is not a thing we do anymore. The radicalization of the Jewish community especially since October 7th has been endlessly documented on this site. I can easily envision Mamdani coming to support Jews after an incident and being disrupted or worse. This will further solidify the image of Jews as ungrateful selfish bastards.


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04 Jul 2025, 9:27 am

Puzzled why you assume he'll win in the general election, unless it's by winning a 35/33/33 plurality which would seriously impugn his credibility as the Peoples' Choice.


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Puzzled why you assume he'll win in the general election, unless it's by winning a 35/33/33 plurality which would seriously impugn his credibility as the Peoples' Choice.

Repeating an earlier post in this thread
“In the OP I opined that if the other candidates stepped aside, Mamdani might lose to Sliwa.

My opinion is an extreme outlier. The conventional wisdom is Sliwa is too flaky. All the never Mamdani money and press is going to Adams. It is noted that Sliwa was crushed by Adams in the 2021 mayoral race. In that race, Sliwa was running against another law and order candidate who was a cop. Mamdani is a wholly different candidate. Also, while Cuomo conceded the primary, he is not conceding the general. He seems to be in a wait-and-see mode.

At the moment, it looks like Mamdani will win handily.”

Even if he wins a close election I do not think it will matter in terms of the reactions I was discussing. Trump’s win in 2024 has been taken by MAGA’s and by Trump himself as a land slide even though historically it was anything but. They are governing under that assumption. The era of being humbled by a close win is long gone.

While they have completely different opinions there are parallels between the rise of Trump and the rise of Mandami so far. Both successfully ran as populists despite coming from well to do families. When they started both were dismissed. When it started to become obvious that they might actually win it was too late. The opposition was stunned, flailing, clueless about what to do. The populism was fueled by the base of the respective parties who believes the party establishment “sell outs” and corruption are causing the other side to win resulting in an existential threat.

In other threads we have discussed how boomers are perceived negatively. A lot of ageism has come out to the fore in the wake of Mamdani’s win. It will be interesting to see if there is any blowback.


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OTOH I do expect some people to interpret his election as a signal for violence against zionists in general and Jews in particular.

I hope this won't happen, but indeed it's possible.

I think there's at least as much danger -- and probably much more danger -- of violence from JDL-like pro-Zionist fanatics. After all, they are the ones who would be very upset by a Mamdani victory and would thus have the most likely motive to respond with violence.

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In that way it will resemble groups such as the Proud Boys interpreting Trump’s remarks as signals.

Hopefully there will be no organized groups analogous to the Proud Boys. We do have some small neo-Nazi groups around here, but they are likely to be bigoted against Mamdani himself, as well as against Jews.

Hopefully the local Muslim community has enough institutional memory of the aftermath of 9/11 that young Muslims around here have been thoroughly warned against political violence of any kind. Of course, a few young Muslims might ignore such warnings.

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With Trump we have 10 years of experience to conclude he is deliberately signaling his “patriots”. Mamdani is new to the scene it is too soon to judge. If Mamdani does deliberately signal it won’t be as blatantly obvious, he is a wholly different personality.

Hopefully the only thing Mamdani will "signal," on the anti-Zionist front, will be support for nonviolent measures like BDS.

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Unfortunately the man is going to require a degree of security unheard of for previous mayors.

Yep. Seems to me he is much more likely to get assassinated, himself, than to deliberately instigate violence.


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