The Rich is causing our misery

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26 Mar 2018, 12:14 pm

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I don't really wish the following to come true, all I want is welfare and peace, and this thread is more about desperation than anything else. I don't want dictatorship and I do NOT want a lot of people imprisoned.

All I want is to stop hatred against the welfare state and those recieving welfare benefits.

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The rich people pay very little taxes in relation to their wealth compared to the ordinary working class people.

They are the sole cause of the drastic reforms in many western countries. They are the cause of our misery and our poverty, the rich take all our money and give little back. The rich also controls the democratic institutions and threaten to withdraw their values if democracies don't conform to the will of the rich.

They do pay higher taxes, but RELATIVE to their WEALTH they pay virtually nothing. The rich owns 90 % or more of the entire wealth of the earth's population, and the very rich don't have to work. Many choose to work, but they can stop at any moment and just live off their enormous wealth and have others do the dirty work.

The work the rich do, is therefore more like a hobby than a job.

I suggest the nations of the planet should cease all the assets and valuables of the rich, imprison them and force them to hard labor. Hand out the money to the poor and working class people and give everybody else (except the now formerly rich) Basic Income and the liberty to choose to work or not, but with incentives to work.

This will create fairness and justice for everybody!

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26 Mar 2018, 12:17 pm

an inconceivably terrible idea, but at least you have a vision.

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26 Mar 2018, 12:19 pm

Kiprobalhato wrote:

an inconceivably terrible idea, but at least you have a vision.

Why?

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26 Mar 2018, 12:35 pm

You're being evil again.

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26 Mar 2018, 12:52 pm

Venezuela is doing just that its not going very well. The vast majority of "poverty" in the western world is not due to the rich rather the welfare state which encourages people to have children they cannot afford.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:01 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:

You're being evil again.

OP isn't being evil at all. He just wants the rich to work as hard as the poor. Why is this such a bad idea?

I'm glad that leftists nowadays are cracking down on capitalist greed. For a long time, lefties were only lashing out at men and white people. It's nice to see lefties taking aim at the wealthy again, just like we did in the good old days.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:04 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:

You're being evil again.

Perhaps...

I have a dream of a society turned "upside-down" ie. those on welfare benefits are in power and severely punish those who supported the reforms cutting the welfare state. Even if the punishments are against human rights, I don't care.

Welfare reforms with the purpose of cutting welfare only to save the richs, is more evil than whatever I suggest.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:05 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

Wolfram87 wrote:

You're being evil again.

Why is targeting the wealthy any different? Targeting corruption and theft is different thing. How is it greedy for the rich to want to keep their money but not greedy for wanting to take it away from them?

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26 Mar 2018, 1:05 pm

Daniel89 wrote:

Venezuela is doing just that its not going very well.

No it isn't.

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The vast majority of "poverty" in the western world is not due to the rich rather the welfare state which encourages people to have children they cannot afford.

... and yet most Western countries have a birth rate that is well below replacement level. Most of the population growth actually comes from immigrants, most of whom are hard workers.

There are probably a lot of people on this site who accept welfare. How many people here have more than eight kids?

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26 Mar 2018, 1:08 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:

Yes, and I enjoy it.

I have a dream of a society turned "upside-down" ie. those on welfare benefits are in power and severely punish those who supported the reforms cutting the welfare state. Even if the punishments are against human rights, I don't care.

Welfare reforms with the purpose of cutting welfare only to save the richs, is more evil than whatever I suggest.

FACT: Many rich people are already on welfare.

https://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending/corporate-welfare/corporate-vs-social-welfare/

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26 Mar 2018, 1:08 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

Daniel89 wrote:

Venezuela is doing just that its not going very well.

No it isn't.

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The vast majority of "poverty" in the western world is not due to the rich rather the welfare state which encourages people to have children they cannot afford.

The government encourages low skilled low income people to have children for money and housing, high skill higher income people pay for this which means they can afford to have fewer children. The whole idea that we need to breed at higher than replacement rates is part of the welfare state, that's what Ponzi schemes need.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:13 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

FACT: Many rich people are already on welfare.

https://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending/corporate-welfare/corporate-vs-social-welfare/

Welfare = social welfare. The other thing is not welfare. It is legal corruption.

We should crack down on corporate "welfare" and imprison not only the company owners but the politicians as well as the common people who support them.

I dream of a society that is not a democracy, but a government run by the disabled, weak, unemployed etc. who have absolute power and deny basic human rights to those who denied them their basic rights = the rich and everyone who supported the reforms.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:24 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

OP isn't being evil at all. He just wants the rich to work as hard as the poor. Why is this such a bad idea?

"I suggest the nations of the planet should cease all the assets and valuables of the rich, imprison them and force them to hard labor" is an interesting way to phrase that, then...

though i feel like OP edited his post since i first replied to him.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:25 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

OP isn't being evil at all. He just wants the rich to work as hard as the poor. Why is this such a bad idea?

Why is it evil to imprison (presumably without trial) and sentence to hard labour people above a certain wealth threshold (determined by...?) ? Yes, how could that possibly be evil?

Did you miss the part where recently OP wanted to make certain thoughts illegal so he could murder the people having them "legally"?

And now OP wants a societal revolution based entirely on spite.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:27 pm

Daniel89 wrote:

Why is targeting the wealthy any different?

You're missing my point. I'm saying that it isn't any different.

We live in a society which is increasingly teaching men not to rape and teaching white people to check their privilege. Neither of those things are bad, but we also need to teach the rich to stop being greedy pigs.

"Liberals" nowadays are hypocrites who think that men need to be taught not to rape, but don't think that the rich deserve any sort of moral lecture. That's why I'm a socialist. Socialism, unlike plain old liberalism, is consistent. It hasn't been bought out by fatcats.

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Targeting corruption and theft is different thing.

Well ... we might as well call ourselves anti-rich because rich people and their "conservative" muppets start bitching about communism whenever anti-corruption legislation is discussed.

People are going to call you a socialist if you want anti-corruption legislation. You might as well embrace it.

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How is it greedy for the rich to want to keep their money but not greedy for wanting to take it away from them?

If you take wealth from one person and give it to someone else who needs that wealth in order to avoid starvation, that is heroism, not greed.

Socialism was never about envy. It has always been about survival.

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26 Mar 2018, 1:32 pm

Daniel89 wrote:

The whole idea that we need to breed at higher than replacement rates is part of the welfare state, that's what Ponzi schemes need.

No it isn't.

The idea that we need to breed more is a product of white nationalism and the far-right. Nobody on the left thinks that we aren't having enough kids.

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