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04 Jan 2014, 1:01 pm

Just so you guys know, my Certificate of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii--yes, I was born in Hawaii--looks a lot like Obama's with some differences due to there being a later revision after Obama had released his--basically, the later revision also lists your parents' birthplaces and has a signature on the back. (I had gotten my COLB so I could change my name.)

EDIT: It actually says Certificate, not Certification.


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04 Jan 2014, 3:40 pm

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his father is from Cuba


OMG, this is awesome.


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04 Jan 2014, 3:49 pm

Accusing Obama of falsifying his birth certificate is so lame. It is an attempt to justify racist sentiment against him. But it just makes accusers look dumb.



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04 Jan 2014, 4:05 pm

Hey GOP and teabaggers: you lost the f*****g election. TWO of them, in fact. Build a bridge and get over yourselves.



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04 Jan 2014, 4:15 pm

Yes, it turns out that Mr. Cruz is Canadian, with a Cuban father.

Obviously, he is a Canadian/Cuban agent, working to destroy the American lifestyle, and to reduce us to some sort of stone-age existence, for the sake of making Canada and Cuba look better by comparison.

He takes his marching orders from Ottawa and Havana.



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04 Jan 2014, 4:19 pm

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Yes, it turns out that Mr. Cruz is Canadian, with a Cuban father.

Obviously, he is a Canadian/Cuban agent, working to destroy the American lifestyle, and to reduce us to some sort of stone-age existence, for the sake of making Canada and Cuba look better by comparison.

He takes his marching orders from Ottawa and Havana.


Talking like this sounds like fun! Now I know why the GOP is so into it! :D


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04 Jan 2014, 4:23 pm

Mr. Canada's parents are divorced, which proves that he has no family values.

Moreover,

http://www.houston.org/about/board-staf ... ard/212727

his wife,

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Heidi S. Cruz is the Region Head for the Southwest Region in the Investment Management Division of Goldman, Sachs & Co....In the 1990s, Heidi worked as an investment banker in New York....


You couldn't possibly get more evil than that.



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04 Jan 2014, 4:47 pm

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"You couldn't possibly get more evil than that.


I think I could easily.


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04 Jan 2014, 4:56 pm

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You couldn't possibly get more evil than that.


I think I could easily.


Oh, we'll see about that tonight, won't we? :wink:



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04 Jan 2014, 7:43 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Raptor wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
You couldn't possibly get more evil than that.


I think I could easily.


Oh, we'll see about that tonight, won't we? :wink:


Nope. Not until our honeymoon.
I'm sure it's in the scriptures......


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04 Jan 2014, 7:44 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Raptor wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
You couldn't possibly get more evil than that.


I think I could easily.


Oh, we'll see about that tonight, won't we? :wink:


Nope. Not until our honeymoon.
I'm sure it's in the scriptures......


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04 Jan 2014, 8:15 pm

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:roll: :roll: :roll:
So what?
It IS legal for a foreign born person to become a senator if they have at least nine years as a US citizen behind them. A US president, however, must be born in the United States. That still leaves us with a president with a disputed birthplace. Personally, it's not the kind of thing I dwell on but you're the one trying bait this back into the spotlight. :shameonyou:


There is no realistic dispute over where Obama had been born. You could transport the birthers back in time to Hawaii to witness Obama's birth, and they still wouldn't believe it. That's because the truth isn't what matters to them - ruining this current presidency is.


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04 Jan 2014, 8:42 pm

Raptor wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Raptor wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
You couldn't possibly get more evil than that.


I think I could easily.


Oh, we'll see about that tonight, won't we? :wink:


Nope. Not until our honeymoon.
I'm sure it's in the scriptures......


Well, then it wouldn't be evil.



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04 Jan 2014, 10:59 pm

I have no doubt it is fake. To explain why would take a lot of time and space, and those who don't believe will find reason to dismiss it.

In any case, nobody has seen a certified copy of the original on file in Hawaii. Everything anyone has seen has been delivered by the DNC or the Obama administration. By the most fundamental rules of evidence, we don't have proof of his birth in Hawaii.

A listing in a newspaper is not a record of live birth.

The word of an official that the record is on file is not evidence.

Only an inspection of the original (or a copy certified under threat of perjury) meets the standard.

The DNC and Obama have fought this very thing from day one. The only logical reason to fight it is that there is something about his birth certificate they don't want the American people to see.

Maybe his parents aren't who he claims they are.

Maybe his place of birth isn't what he claims it is (supposedly, Hawaii allowed people NOT born in Hawaii to get certificates of live birth during the time Obama allegedly was born in Hawaii...to bolster state citizenship).

All that is certain is that by Obama releasing what he claims to be his birth certificate when the issue became large enough, he ensured no court would touch the case unless opponents could PROVE the offered birth certificate is a 100% forgery (something nobody can really do without accessing the original birth certificate...Catch-22). Hence, it will probably be 20 years or more AFTER Obama is out of office before someone manages to get into Hawaii's records and obtain a copy of the original birth records on file to determine what is the truth.



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04 Jan 2014, 11:10 pm

You have absolutely no proof that he wasn't born in Hawaii, except for that's what you want it to be.
And if the President isn't forthcoming with all demands to see his birth certificate, that's because the whole question is demeaning. I hardly think Ronald Reagan or George Herbert Walker Bush would have played ball with opponents only out to destroy his presidency, and who wouldn't accept any evidence regardless of how factual it is.


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04 Jan 2014, 11:13 pm

Only inspection of the original, huh? That's a pretty high standard. I don't hold that standard. A copy, combined with the other evidence put together, like the announcement of birth in the newspaper, is persuasive. After that point, the burden is on any doubter to show that this was fraud.

Also, interestingly, looking at this:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default ... g-form.pdf

The way it was dated and the message "I certify this is a..." also appear on mine, though mine appear on the back--this is a short form, however. As well, it was signed by the same state registrar, Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D. His copy was dated 4/25/2011 and my copy was dated 5/11/2011. :p

EDIT: We were also born in the same city, island, and county. 8)


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