19 Aug 2014, 9:56 pm
19 Aug 2014, 10:23 pm
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Even people with ugly, hateful ideology can be victims - that doesn't make their ideology any less ugly. Just as Vicki Weaver being a victim didn't make her any less of a harradan.
And yes, you did claim more than once that I took pleasure in the deaths of Vicki Weaver and her son.
And yes, your libertarian views do slant your perception of reality - you see a group of people being cracked down on by the federal government, and you assume the feds are always in the wrong, especially if guns are involved. That's the number one reason why you took sides against Trayvon Martin (and yes, I know I'm going to regret bringing him up).
And what context could be at all justifiable in Ron Paul voting against the MLK holiday? He claimed one of his staffers had been using his name when calling the holiday "hate wh***y day." Even if Paul didn't write that, why in God's name would he keep the asshat who had written that on his parole? Why didn't he immediately disavow the statement?
And yes, you continue to provoke statements from me with calling my honesty and intelligence into question. Do you expect me to just role over and take it?
And yes, you did claim more than once that I took pleasure in the deaths of Vicki Weaver and her son.
And yes, your libertarian views do slant your perception of reality - you see a group of people being cracked down on by the federal government, and you assume the feds are always in the wrong, especially if guns are involved. That's the number one reason why you took sides against Trayvon Martin (and yes, I know I'm going to regret bringing him up).
And what context could be at all justifiable in Ron Paul voting against the MLK holiday? He claimed one of his staffers had been using his name when calling the holiday "hate wh***y day." Even if Paul didn't write that, why in God's name would he keep the asshat who had written that on his parole? Why didn't he immediately disavow the statement?
And yes, you continue to provoke statements from me with calling my honesty and intelligence into question. Do you expect me to just role over and take it?
I'm just gonna pull two things out here (although I see more).
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Even people with ugly, hateful ideology can be victims - that doesn't make their ideology any less ugly. Just as Vicki Weaver being a victim didn't make her any less of a harradan.
Why do you think you have to continually remind (or preach to) people that the Weavers held ugly hateful ideology? Do you think we're stupid or are you trying to smoke someone out as a white supremacist? Or maybe it's some half-ass divide and conquer tactic. "All the good people over here. All the ugly hateful people over there" . It's not about the Weaver's or anyone elses' ideology, it's about government thuggery which potentially hangs over all of our heads poised to strike. Why can't you figure that out and make peace with it?Quote:
That's the number one reason why you took sides against Trayvon Martin (and yes, I know I'm going to regret bringing him up).
Unless you can go back and find evidence to back that up (don't pretend you don't know how to) I don't remember anyone taking sides against Trayvon Martin.Ah, I almost forgot this....
Kraichgauer wrote:
Because I'm stating a fact about the Weaver's ideology.
Over and over, ad nauseam...... Quote:
It was racist, and down right insane.
Has anyone to date in this thread disagreed? (Y / N) No? Then why keep preaching?Quote:
Have you ever investigated what they believed?
As a matter of fact I did read the book "Every Knee Shall Bow" but it's been about 5 years ago. I also saw a movie about it but I forgot the title (might be on Youtube).Quote:
Sure, they had the absolute right to believe what they wanted, but I also have every right to speak out against what they believed.
Yeah, and two of them are dead and the rest moved on to other pastures. You harp on it obsessively every time this comes in an ill fated effort to soften what happened to them. Just about everyone has kooks of some kind in their region that not much can be done about. Either make enough peace with to be able to deal with it or just move.Quote:
And as a matter of fact, when the Zimmerman/Martin case was on the news 24/7, there were in fact some voices on WP that were not just Pro-Zimmerman, but who called Martin a thug, and deserving of what he got. In fact, one member who has claimed to have been the victim of street crime by blacks, while arguing with me about the case, told me in no uncertain terms that he hoped I get my head smashed on concrete!
Find it, link it, copy & paste it here, or it didnt happen. With more than twice the post count I have in about half the time it's not like you don't have the time to. I followed those threads and the trial itself as time allowed. I seem to remember some people in those threads actually wanting a fair trial opposed to a lynch mob (imagine that 
) and those that just wanted the lynch mob.
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19 Aug 2014, 11:09 pm
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Now they are arresting ninety year old ladies for protesting.She really looks menacing,granny's ready to riot. My respect goes out to this woman,age isn't slowing her down any.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/1 ... tail=email
My respect goes out to this woman,age isn't slowing her down any.http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/1 ... tail=email
Did they handcuff her? Looks like it from the picture. And they just lodged her walking aid somewhere between her arms. Classy.
Is it common in the US to handcuff everyone that is arrested? I've seen it (on tv) also for non-violent people like people arrested for fraud.
Police handcuff everyone in the US, I've been handcuffed numerous times and have never been arrested and put in a paddywagon and got released at the station without ever being officially arrested or booked, I couldn't complain at the time.
19 Aug 2014, 11:09 pm
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19 Aug 2014, 11:13 pm
Raptor wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Even people with ugly, hateful ideology can be victims - that doesn't make their ideology any less ugly. Just as Vicki Weaver being a victim didn't make her any less of a harradan.
And yes, you did claim more than once that I took pleasure in the deaths of Vicki Weaver and her son.
And yes, your libertarian views do slant your perception of reality - you see a group of people being cracked down on by the federal government, and you assume the feds are always in the wrong, especially if guns are involved. That's the number one reason why you took sides against Trayvon Martin (and yes, I know I'm going to regret bringing him up).
And what context could be at all justifiable in Ron Paul voting against the MLK holiday? He claimed one of his staffers had been using his name when calling the holiday "hate wh***y day." Even if Paul didn't write that, why in God's name would he keep the asshat who had written that on his parole? Why didn't he immediately disavow the statement?
And yes, you continue to provoke statements from me with calling my honesty and intelligence into question. Do you expect me to just role over and take it?
And yes, you did claim more than once that I took pleasure in the deaths of Vicki Weaver and her son.
And yes, your libertarian views do slant your perception of reality - you see a group of people being cracked down on by the federal government, and you assume the feds are always in the wrong, especially if guns are involved. That's the number one reason why you took sides against Trayvon Martin (and yes, I know I'm going to regret bringing him up).
And what context could be at all justifiable in Ron Paul voting against the MLK holiday? He claimed one of his staffers had been using his name when calling the holiday "hate wh***y day." Even if Paul didn't write that, why in God's name would he keep the asshat who had written that on his parole? Why didn't he immediately disavow the statement?
And yes, you continue to provoke statements from me with calling my honesty and intelligence into question. Do you expect me to just role over and take it?
I'm just gonna pull two things out here (although I see more).
Quote:
Even people with ugly, hateful ideology can be victims - that doesn't make their ideology any less ugly. Just as Vicki Weaver being a victim didn't make her any less of a harradan.
Why do you think you have to continually remind (or preach to) people that the Weavers held ugly hateful ideology? Do you think we're stupid or are you trying to smoke someone out as a white supremacist? Or maybe it's some half-ass divide and conquer tactic. "All the good people over here. All the ugly hateful people over there" . It's not about the Weaver's or anyone elses' ideology, it's about government thuggery which potentially hangs over all of our heads poised to strike. Why can't you figure that out and make peace with it?Quote:
That's the number one reason why you took sides against Trayvon Martin (and yes, I know I'm going to regret bringing him up).
Unless you can go back and find evidence to back that up (don't pretend you don't know how to) I don't remember anyone taking sides against Trayvon Martin.Ah, I almost forgot this....
Kraichgauer wrote:
Because I'm stating a fact about the Weaver's ideology.
Over and over, ad nauseam...... Quote:
It was racist, and down right insane.
Has anyone to date in this thread disagreed? (Y / N) No? Then why keep preaching?Quote:
Have you ever investigated what they believed?
As a matter of fact I did read the book "Every Knee Shall Bow" but it's been about 5 years ago. I also saw a movie about it but I forgot the title (might be on Youtube).Quote:
Sure, they had the absolute right to believe what they wanted, but I also have every right to speak out against what they believed.
Yeah, and two of them are dead and the rest moved on to other pastures. You harp on it obsessively every time this comes in an ill fated effort to soften what happened to them. Just about everyone has kooks of some kind in their region that not much can be done about. Either make enough peace with to be able to deal with it or just move.Quote:
And as a matter of fact, when the Zimmerman/Martin case was on the news 24/7, there were in fact some voices on WP that were not just Pro-Zimmerman, but who called Martin a thug, and deserving of what he got. In fact, one member who has claimed to have been the victim of street crime by blacks, while arguing with me about the case, told me in no uncertain terms that he hoped I get my head smashed on concrete!
Find it, link it, copy & paste it here, or it didnt happen. With more than twice the post count I have in about half the time it's not like you don't have the time to. I followed those threads and the trial itself as time allowed. I seem to remember some people in those threads actually wanting a fair trial opposed to a lynch mob (imagine that ) and those that just wanted the lynch mob.If I harp about the Weavers, it's only because you and Dox continually challenge me about the case. And as you go by memory concerning the Whiskey Rebellion, I also am going by memory about Ruby Ridge - and more, I actually lived through it.
As for that post having happened - it did indeed, but as with providing links to cite my sources, I'm too dumb to copy and paste. And while I almost never agree with you, I have never, ever called you a liar - please do not question my honesty.
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I don't know what firing on peaceful protesters has to do with Waco and Ruby Ridge, though 
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20 Aug 2014, 2:42 am
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I wouldn't mind knowing what the hell police firing on peaceful protesters has to do with Waco and Ruby Ridge, though.
(Shakes head) Somehow the subject came up - perhaps even by me trying to make a point - and an unresolved conflict was reignited.
But here's a poignant joke: Why are dead Aspies buried with their head above ground?
Answer: Because out heads are harder than tombstones!
And that's why we get into these endless arguments.
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