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05 Dec 2020, 12:43 pm

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
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“OK Boomer” is insulting to older folks.

My encounters with Millennials have been similar to my encounters with Boomers: a mixed bag.

People forget that Boomers were probably much more rebellious than Millennials are today. It’s not like we’re all stodgy grampas.

I have no similar insulting meme for Millennials—so let’s cut the OK Boomer crap, unless it’s in jest.


Yeah, okay Boomer... :roll:

Seriously, how old are Millennials? The term seems to be liberally applied to teenagers as well as to people in their 40s. Pretty broad brush. How do you define Millennials?



Millennials were born in the late 70s to early 90s. So it ranges from late 20s to early 40s.


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05 Dec 2020, 5:28 pm

League_Girl wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
“OK Boomer” is insulting to older folks.

My encounters with Millennials have been similar to my encounters with Boomers: a mixed bag.

People forget that Boomers were probably much more rebellious than Millennials are today. It’s not like we’re all stodgy grampas.

I have no similar insulting meme for Millennials—so let’s cut the OK Boomer crap, unless it’s in jest.


Yeah, okay Boomer... :roll:

Seriously, how old are Millennials? The term seems to be liberally applied to teenagers as well as to people in their 40s. Pretty broad brush. How do you define Millennials?



Millennials were born in the late 70s to early 90s. So it ranges from late 20s to early 40s.


I've heard 1982-2001.

Being born in 1979, I would be considered Gen Y.


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05 Dec 2020, 5:35 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
“OK Boomer” is insulting to older folks.

My encounters with Millennials have been similar to my encounters with Boomers: a mixed bag.

People forget that Boomers were probably much more rebellious than Millennials are today. It’s not like we’re all stodgy grampas.

I have no similar insulting meme for Millennials—so let’s cut the OK Boomer crap, unless it’s in jest.


Yeah, okay Boomer... :roll:

Seriously, how old are Millennials? The term seems to be liberally applied to teenagers as well as to people in their 40s. Pretty broad brush. How do you define Millennials?



Millennials were born in the late 70s to early 90s. So it ranges from late 20s to early 40s.


I've heard 1982-2001.

Being born in 1979, I would be considered Gen Y.


Gen Y is largely synonymous with Millennial. Everyone who discusses these cohorts and social trends related to them defines them slightly differently if it helps establish their points better.


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05 Dec 2020, 5:39 pm

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Anyone who's old enough to have seen the start of the millennium, but only if they're young enough to have been a child at the time.

Boomers are anyone who was born in the post-war baby boom of the late 1940s, 1950s and early 1960s.

I have issues with how most people define generational cohorts and I believe it leads to miscommunication. I prefer to categorize based on what people can remember.

The Vietnam War was the single most overpowering public event in the formative years of the Early Boomers whereas Late Boomers don't remember it and tend to be considerably more conservative as a result. Early Gen-X experienced the malaise of the late 70s followed by Reagan-era recovery and the putative victory of the US over the USSR ending the Cold War, and are similarly conservative. Late Gen-X came of age during the post-Cold War Grunge era and were influenced by its cynicism. They may be more akin to Millennials than Early Gen-X.

I believe most people identified as Boomers are either Late Boomer or Early Gen-X (many of the latter have become significantly grizzled by now). Early Boomers (on average) skew more to the left, in particular they share Millennials' lack of admiration for vested authority, and some feel considerable sympathy for the Millennial point of view. However as they are getting old and more and more are retired, they have also become less visible.


Tbh I don't think many Brits just a bit older than my mother care that much, although google says we did have some involvement. So it becomes a bit of a national thing.

I suppose it is anyway, I wonder if there was a baby boom in Switzerland/Ireland for eg after WW2?


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05 Dec 2020, 5:52 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
“OK Boomer” is insulting to older folks.

My encounters with Millennials have been similar to my encounters with Boomers: a mixed bag.

People forget that Boomers were probably much more rebellious than Millennials are today. It’s not like we’re all stodgy grampas.

I have no similar insulting meme for Millennials—so let’s cut the OK Boomer crap, unless it’s in jest.


Yeah, okay Boomer... :roll:

Seriously, how old are Millennials? The term seems to be liberally applied to teenagers as well as to people in their 40s. Pretty broad brush. How do you define Millennials?



Millennials were born in the late 70s to early 90s. So it ranges from late 20s to early 40s.


I've heard 1982-2001.

Being born in 1979, I would be considered Gen Y.


Gen Y is largely synonymous with Millennial. Everyone who discusses these cohorts and social trends related to them defines them slightly differently if it helps establish their points better.


I thought Gen Z was synonymous with millenials.


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05 Dec 2020, 9:31 pm

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Tbh I don't think many Brits just a bit older than my mother care that much, although google says we did have some involvement. So it becomes a bit of a national thing.

I suppose it is anyway, I wonder if there was a baby boom in Switzerland/Ireland for eg after WW2?

A lot of this discussion becomes far more complicated when you consider different countries. The UK was a much different place than the US in the 60s, it was still recovering from WWII, whereas the US was experiencing an economic boom but was at the same time embroiled in a horrible Asian war. I believe the 70s were much different in France than in the US. The 70s seem to be when France finally recovered from WWII and got past some of its "inferiority complex" regarding the English-speaking world, whereas the 70s were a time of decline and malaise for the US.


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06 Dec 2020, 9:02 pm

"Generations" are made up by various groups. Whichever one gets popularized most is the one that sticks. There's nothing scientific about them, and that's really not how the passage of time works, either. It's not like on Jan 1 1980, as soon as the clock ticked over, suddenly everyone's bellbottoms vanished and were replaced with animal print spandex. Things change gradually over time - granted at different rates - but seldom does change happen like an axe chop, suddenly cutting off one thing and starting another.

Generally, "millennial" refers to those who will reach adulthood at/before/around/near the turn of the millennium. The discrepancy in year has to do with whether you consider "adulthood" to be 18 or 21 (1979-1982), and where your exact cutoff date is for when they reach adulthood - in other words, are they an adult before 2000, during 2000, or within a year of 2000 - depending on who's keeping track.

The notion that one generation is better than another generation is a trope that extends back to the birth of generations. It's tied to maintaining power, and refusal to hand over the reigns to the next generation.

"Kids today are lazy/stupid/spoiled/etc" is a trope as old as time.



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06 Dec 2020, 9:21 pm

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"Generations" are made up by various groups. Whichever one gets popularized most is the one that sticks. There's nothing scientific about them, and that's really not how the passage of time works, either. It's not like on Jan 1 1980, as soon as the clock ticked over, suddenly everyone's bellbottoms vanished and were replaced with animal print spandex. Things change gradually over time - granted at different rates - but seldom does change happen like an axe chop, suddenly cutting off one thing and starting another.

Generally, "millennial" refers to those who will reach adulthood at/before/around/near the turn of the millennium. The discrepancy in year has to do with whether you consider "adulthood" to be 18 or 21 (1979-1982), and where your exact cutoff date is for when they reach adulthood - in other words, are they an adult before 2000, during 2000, or within a year of 2000 - depending on who's keeping track.

The notion that one generation is better than another generation is a trope that extends back to the birth of generations. It's tied to maintaining power, and refusal to hand over the reigns to the next generation.

"Kids today are lazy/stupid/spoiled/etc" is a trope as old as time.

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While every generation somewhat embodies their parents’ worst fears, boomers were a veritable nightmare for their elders. Where their parents willingly banded together to beat Nazi Germany, boomers defiantly burned their Vietnam War draft cards and commandeered university buildings in rage-fueled uprisings.

To say their elders were shocked by this rebellion is the height of understatement. During the Columbia University uprising of 1968, the university president Grayson Kirk darkly declared:
“Our young people, in disturbing numbers, appear to reject all forms of authority, from whatever source derived, and they have taken refuge in a turbulent and inchoate nihilism whose sole objectives are destruction. I know of no time in our history when the gap between the generations has been wider or more potentially dangerous.”

Ronald Reagan essentially launched his political career off of Baby-Boomer hating when he came out swinging against the protests at UC Berkeley. The sentiment of Boomer-hating traditionalists was summed up by country music artist Merle Haggard, a member of the Silent Generation (born between 1925 and 1945), in his song “Okie from Muskogee,” which became an anti-Boomer anthem:
“We don’t smoke marijuana in Muskogee,
We don’t take our trips on LSD,
We don’t burn our draft cards down on Main Street,
We like livin’ right, and bein’ free.”

The boomers were accused of creating a “Me Decade” by journalist Tom Wolf, also a member of the Silent Generation. Ironically, Boomers would eventually lob that exact same criticism at their own millennial children.


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06 Dec 2020, 10:31 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
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Gen Y is largely synonymous with Millennial. Everyone who discusses these cohorts and social trends related to them defines them slightly differently if it helps establish their points better.


I thought Gen Z was synonymous with millenials.


Gen Z are too young to be millennials by most definitions. Some Millennials don't realize they're part of the cohort being discussed and assume it must be younger people.


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08 Dec 2020, 10:34 am

I am continuously irritated by the constant incorrect references to generational cohorts. I had to research this extensively for my thesis. Generations are a convenient way to group social data.

The first and only clearly defined generational cohort is the baby boomers, who are all people born between 1946 and 1964.

That is an 18-year time span. The other generations vary on names and time spans. I firmly believe this elasticity is used to “massage” data, or move around dates to help make your point.

If we go backwards and forwards using the 18 year span as a guide, it goes as follows:

Veterans: 1927-1945
Baby Boomers: 1946-1964
Generation X: 1965-1983
Millennials: 1984-2002
“Zoomers”: 2003-2021

Ohhhh...what???? So your oldest zoomer is now only 17 and the youngest are still being born? Yes. A millennial can be only 18? Yes. What about a 55 year old? Well, that would be Generation X, NOT a boomer.

What we have is people either excising Generation X entirely (because the point of X is that we are “the nothing generation”) or shortening the Millennial generation because of perceived negative traits. People always try to define the generations traits early, when the cohort are still children, but it cannot be clearly defined until the cohort are at least young adults.

Part of the derisiveness of “OK Boomer” is that it is flagrantly vague and confident even in its ignorance. I hear people saying that to anyone over 30, which is ridiculous. But that’s what young people do.



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08 Dec 2020, 7:26 pm

I have a friend, born in 1963, who considers himself squarely in Generation X. I can see why. I was born 2 years earlier than him (I consider myself a Baby Boomer). We have very different memories. He has virtually no memory of Vietnam, for example. I'm not sure if he remembers Woodstock. He doesn't remember the Miracle Mets of 1969, either (and he's a rabid Mets fan).

I believe the generation BEFORE the 1927-1945 generation is called the "Silent Generation."