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14 Jun 2009, 7:26 pm

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The world is evil, this is satan's world.


What Satan? A myth. A made up notion.

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14 Jun 2009, 7:28 pm

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The world is evil, this is satan's world.

True, because Man = Satan, so yeah, this is Satan's world.


no man is not intrinsically evil (or only some of them), man is an empty vessel and it's very easy for satan to occupy that space, thus the world becomes evil.



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14 Jun 2009, 7:30 pm

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The world is evil, this is satan's world.


What Satan? A myth. A made up notion.

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AKA "The Accuser", "The Slanderer" and "The Father of Lies". I'm sure we've all encountered him.



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14 Jun 2009, 7:34 pm

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AKA..."The Father of Lies". I'm sure we've all encountered him.

Herodotus?


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14 Jun 2009, 7:38 pm

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The world is evil, this is satan's world.


What Satan? A myth. A made up notion.

ruveyn


AKA "The Accuser", "The Slanderer" and "The Father of Lies". I'm sure we've all encountered him.

common mistranslation, Satan is the hebrew word for enemy, also, in the old testament, not a single mention of hell is made. So hell is only in the new testament


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14 Jun 2009, 7:43 pm

Good and evil are social constructs.

Wether god is evil or not depends on the society you are in.

The christain god is clearly evil, he lays out 10 commandments for us to follow.

Follow them and you are good, do not follow them and you are bad.

He does not abide by his own rules, so he is evil.



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14 Jun 2009, 7:50 pm

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ruveyn wrote:
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The world is evil, this is satan's world.


What Satan? A myth. A made up notion.

ruveyn


AKA "The Accuser", "The Slanderer" and "The Father of Lies". I'm sure we've all encountered him.

common mistranslation, Satan is the hebrew word for enemy, also, in the old testament, not a single mention of hell is made. So hell is only in the new testament


yes, i forgot "The Adversary".



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14 Jun 2009, 7:56 pm

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common mistranslation, Satan is the hebrew word for enemy,

http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Sitnah.html wrote:
he word Sitnah is the feminine form of satan, satan (see that name for etymology). In Ezra 4:6 the word sitnah is used to mean a written statement of accusation.

The name Sitnah means Contrary or Enmity.

wikipedia wrote:
The word 'Satan', and the Arabic شيطان "shaitan", may derive from a Northwest Semitic root śṭn, meaning "to be hostile", "to accuse."[1] An alternative explanation is provided by the Hebrew in Job 1:7. When God asks him whence he has come, Satan answers: "From wandering (mi'ŝuṭ) the earth and walking on it" (מִשּׁוּט בָּאָרֶץ, וּמֵהִתְהַלֵּךְ בָּה). The root ŝuṭ signifies wandering on foot or sailing. 'Satan' would thus be "the Wanderer".



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in the old testament, not a single mention of hell is made. So hell is only in the new testament

Only this I think: Daniel 12:2,3 which some would claim to be about hell, it doesn't describe it as in the NT though.


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14 Jun 2009, 7:59 pm

An unpleasant Hell predates Christianity, having forerunners in such works as The Book of Enoch.


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14 Jun 2009, 8:07 pm

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God is good. All the time.

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The logic of this is non-existant. If God is not actively good, he obviously must be evil?

Could it be, instead, just maybe, that "perfect" does not mean "perfectly good," but rather "perfect," without any qualifier for good or evil?

What I mean to say is: What if God is merely neutral? Michael is the opposite of Satan, Gabriel of Lucifer (not the same as Satan, mind), and Metatron is the angel's version of a prophet. Thus, there are opposing forces of good and evil amongst the angels and demons and Metatron tells the angels what is good.

WOW. What a concept.


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15 Jun 2009, 12:58 am

cognito wrote:
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The world is evil, this is satan's world.


What Satan? A myth. A made up notion.

ruveyn


AKA "The Accuser", "The Slanderer" and "The Father of Lies". I'm sure we've all encountered him.

common mistranslation, Satan is the hebrew word for enemy, also, in the old testament, not a single mention of hell is made. So hell is only in the new testament


No but it does make rather frequent mention of Sheol and Gehenna.



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15 Jun 2009, 9:38 am

Don't know. I was raised Catholic, kind of. Nothing fancy with going to church on Sundays or praying before dinner or anything like that, but my parents did tell me there was a God once or twice, they put me on a Catholic school (so you had the whole Jesus thing around Christmas), and my dad made me watch Jesus Christ Superstar (lol).

By the time I turned fourteen I got so fed up with the World, humanity, that I stopped believing in a God. I used to think "If God does exist, he's a sadist." which pretty much wraps up my mood and thoughts back then. My reasoning was that if a God created all this, and thus making it suck this bad, he must enjoy watching people suffer.

I'm not that "extreme" nowadays though. I don't really think there is a God as described in the Bible, it seems highly unlikely. If there is, though, I don't think he's necessarily EVIL.... maybe just a tad lazy. I don't know if there is anything else, so I can't really have an opinion on that...



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15 Jun 2009, 12:35 pm

Daniella wrote:
By the time I turned fourteen I got so fed up with the World, humanity, that I stopped believing in a God. I used to think "If God does exist, he's a sadist." which pretty much wraps up my mood and thoughts back then. My reasoning was that if a God created all this, and thus making it suck this bad, he must enjoy watching people suffer.


Yes, I often must have to deal with people peeling the skin off of me as well as constant flames licking at me. And don't even get me started on the number of times that ravens have pecked out my innards!

The truth is that the world is not as bad as people make it out to be. In actual fact, how we choose to live our lives directly impacts our quality of life. I know this from personal experience. When I made decisions that were idiotic and illogical, my life went down the toilet rather quickly. When I decided that I need to make choices that will positively impact my life, my life improved. It's still difficult for me now because of the choices I made earlier in life, but I can get past that difficulty. I see people every day making choices that will positively impact their lives and ones that don't seem to care. The main difference I have found in them is that the people making good choices believe that those choices will positively impact their lives, whereas the people making bad choices claim that it is all luck. The ironic thing is that people who think they're lucky are more likely to be cheerful and thus are more open to other people who can positively impact their lives. The people who make bad choices seem to think that their luck is horrible.

Haven't you ever wondered why you don't see many high school dropouts making millions of dollars? Haven't you ever wondered why people who become prideful, greedy, or enraged often find themselves losing everything they worked for, when people who don't manage to build upon their success a hundred times over?


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15 Jun 2009, 1:11 pm

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Could it be, instead, just maybe, that "perfect" does not mean "perfectly good," but rather "perfect," without any qualifier for good or evil?


Possible. I recall reading somewhere that when Jesus says (in Matthew 5:48 ) 'Be ye perfect, even as your Heavenly Father is perfect', the Greek word used doesn't mean 'flawless' as we would understand 'perfect', but something closer to 'complete.' Interesting idea...


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15 Jun 2009, 1:14 pm

Christianity is dualistic in the sense that there is a cosmic struggle between God, who is "good" and Satan, who "created evil".
Most christians presume that God has the upper hand but looking at the history I am extremely cynical, IF any of this is actually real. Dualism in fact makes a lot of sense and absolves much of the contradictions about God and good vs evil.



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15 Jun 2009, 1:24 pm

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No but it does make rather frequent mention of Sheol and Gehenna.


Yes, but:

1) Sheol and Gehenna are quite different concepts, and
2) The Gehenna 'fire and brimstome' references are commonly believed to literally refer to the dump on the outside of a city, where stuff was burned - it was a place of death or termination, not necessarily an eternal torture (although some interpretations go that direction).